Accuracy of plastic pistols

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I am realizing that there is something to be said for buying a modern gun that handles hot loads without trouble, and is also affordable. But most of us also have a standard by which we measure accuracy.

What kind of accuracy can be expected from a standard Glock, HK, Springfield XD? I really like the 1911, but these plastic guns hold more ammo, arguably more reliable and are lighter. Plus Glocks can had for $400 at times. A good 1911 is 50-100% more. What is your opinion on this matter? At one time to you swear by one, and now swear by another, or really don't care?

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Ss
 
I carry and shoot a G-17 at work and have done so for about 8-9 years. It shoots well and has stood up to alot of abuse. Accuracy is good, probably better than i can shoot, we have the NY trigger and to me it's hard to shoot very well, maybe it's me. If i had a choice i would carry a 1911A1 :D
 
I carry and shoot a Hk usp or a springfield xd sup compact .. Both are very accurate the various 1911's i have owned have had a slight edge due to better triggers but its aweful close
 
HK's are capable of sub 1" groups at 25 yd.

One gunwriter, Mike Boyle, said HK's "are capable of far greater accuracy than most of us can deliver." Source: G&WFLE Jan. 2002
 
I have 5 USPs & currenlty one Glock. The accuracy is very good w/ each of them. Maybe I got lucky, but dollar for dollar, my polyguns are more accurate than I could have ever expected.
 
SS,I have an XD-9 that is a tack driver.Never even had to move the sights.This is the first of a couple dozen "plastic" pistols that did what it should instead of jamming,breaking at 54 rds,shooting so far off that sights had to be replaced,etc.tom. ;)
 
I might suggest you also add a Walther P99 to your list of considerations. They are every bit as accurate and reliable as any (Sub-$1000) HK or Glock.
 
The composition of the frame has very little to do with the accuracy of an autopistol.
 
For most shooters, the accuracy limitation will be the shooter, rather than the gun

I have a few different 1911s, including a longslide that was meant to be a tack driver. I also hace a Springfield XD. While the 1911 is more accurate with slow target shooting, I've noticed no significant difference in accuracy between the two when shooting in classes or other dynamic events.

I'm sure there are shooters who are good enough to wring the last litle bit of accuracy out of a handgun under "real" use. I'm just not in that class.
 
JohnkSka
You are absolutely right. I was using the phrase "plastic pistols" to refer to the myriad of modern guns made through the use of hi tech materials. Basically refering to anything non-1911.
For a time I was absolutely convinced that anything that wasn't a 1911 was an abomination. But after shooting an HK USP 45 and a Springfield xd40, I am thinking otherwise. I guess my obeservation is that the 1911 you get for $450 is no where near the quality of the "plastic gun" available at the same cost.

10ring,
Which glock do you own?

Does anyone find the .40 to be kind of a snappy round. In the 1911 the 45 acp is a nice mild recoil. It seems the 40 is a hard round to get a second shot off accuartely with because it snaps up so high. Maybe this becomes a non issue with a bunch of practice.

Domino,
How does the size of the G19 compare to the 22 and 23? What about the size difference of the 17 and 22 to the 20? That 10mm looks really good...
 
According to the manual, if you strap a H&K Mark 23 into a vice it will sometimes put every round through the same .45" hole at 25 meters.

I haven't been able to replicate that while plinking though. :neener:
It's a more accurate handgun than its user.
 
How does the size of the G19 compare to the 22 and 23? What about the size difference of the 17 and 22 to the 20? That 10mm looks really good...

17, 22, and 31 are the full size, with the 20 and 21 being a little fatter but also called fullsize....
19, 23, and 32 are the mid size compacts....
I'm assuming the 37 45 GAP is the same as the 17, 22, 31, but I haven't really paid much attention to them so someone correct me if I'm wrong.....tom
 
Polymer-framed pistols are usually capable of all the accuracy you can use.

But, they seem to magnify a couple of shooter errors involving grip. If the shooter varies the tension of their grip, or squeezes too tight with the bottom two fingers, it can shift the group more than with a "metal gun".
Hey, if they show you that you were doing something like that, and you didn't know it before, that's good, I guess. Assuming it gets corrected.

I was a Glock nut. I've had 12 or 13 (eight different models, five calibers), but only have one, a G19, now. I don't want this to sound like an attack, but I think people need to know if any gun they plan to carry has weaknesses. And I think they do.

I was happy as a clam with Glocks, until I started breaking them. The 19 broke the trigger return spring after 7-800 rounds. If that spring breaks, the trigger won't return on it's own, but you can push it back with the tip of your finger. I learned that it can sorta bounce back if you snap your finger off the trigger after firing the round.
Either way, it's not something I would've thought to try had it happened when I NEEDED it.
I had a Glock armorer replace the spring, mostly because I wanted to "show off" that I had broken one. He had not seen that before, and didn't even have a spare spring, so he looked it over for anything suspicious. There wasn't, so when he got another spring, he replaced it, and off we went.
It broke again a month or so later, followed by my G29 breaking the same spring about a month after that. When I took the 19 back to the armorer, he said he had two (I think two) more come in since my first time. We went with a NY1 trigger spring that second time in the 19, and in the 29. The NY1 and NY2 spring is a different design, and I've had no trouble with it. It makes the trigger pull heavier, but less "squishy".

The standard spring is a coil with a hook at each end. One hook goes through a hole in plastic, the other through a hole pierced in steel. The hole in the steel isn't relieved by chamfering, so it stresses the spring, and it breaks.

Other than trigger springs, I had an extractor chip in a 10mm, but it still worked. The ejection pattern was here and there, but it worked.

Although going to the NY1 trigger spring ended the spring trouble I had, I wouldn't trust Glocks anymore, quit carrying them, and have traded off all but one. They usually shoot well, feed anything I would try, I can pick up any of them and know how and where it will shoot, but I just can't trust them now. They're good guns, but "perfection" they're not.

I'm pretty much back to where I started with carry guns- 1911s, HiPowers, and sometimes an HK P7.
 
I've never had a problem w/ any of my glocks-due to manufacturing. although they had that "recall/update of the frames- "which they paid all fees for shipping/ and re-registering do to the extra digit. G30 I have about 2000 through, not 1 malf/ G17 and G34 approx 2000 through not 1 malf, although on the G34 the rear adj sight got bumped and at a GSSF match the armorer replaced w/ new "NO-PROB". That is one thing I like about GLock matches they will go over it for you and replace anything that maybe an update or issue. Also- My other half shoots her G17 w/ unbelieveable accuraccy- kinda puts me to shame :eek: , that is until I pull out the 1911 then we become even again...sorta/kinda :confused:, I remember at a defensive pistol class the instructor stopped the class from shooting just to watch her- "thinking back-"was he watching her or her shooting" :eek: , But in seriouseness she was doing the zipper shot straight up straight down. I was just waiting for her to put a smiley face on the target. we can take any of my glocks and put groups in a 5" circle, 7 yrds /15 yrds. "remember this is defensive shooting not Bulls eye. Although CCW is 45acpppppppp
 
Hmmmmm.... strange to me on the Glock breakage! :confused:

I have 4 Glock 19s a G17, a G34 and the full size 10mm.

My oldest G19 is from the first year they made them I think and I've shot it a lot since then... many, many, thousands of rounds and it is still marginally the most accurate of my 19s. The 17 is a factory refurb police turn-in and I've got maybe a thousand rounds through it. The 34, perhaps two thousand and the 10mm perhaps 300 rounds. No problems from any of them so far, never sent any back for anything - except the 10mm and the 17 both had New York triggers which DESTROYED the accuracy in them until I changed them to 3.5 competition trigger on the 17 and the regular trigger on the 10mm - now they are all perhaps equal or more accurate than I am but not as accurate as my competition ParaOrdance .45s are for me.
 
I grew up on the 1911. I carry a Glock 30. 9,000+ rounds through it with all factory stock original parts except the sights. Nothing broke yet. It's as accurate as I am, which is pretty decent. I shoot it as well as most non-custom-match-grade 1911s. Well enough to get good groups on the bad guys when I'm trying for group size, not solid hits on targets as I move to cover and fire. :)
 
My G30 is probably the most accurate gun I have ever shot; and that was out of the box accurate. It probably has 3000 rounds through it. Not a single failure to feed, failure to eject or any malfunction. Best $520 I ever spent. :)
 
today was at the local gander mountain..they had glocks at $75 off..they had a g37.45 gap at $499, so you can't beat $425 for a great pistol. too bad i have one already..
 
cz75bdneos22 said:
today was at the local gander mountain..they had glocks at $75 off..they had a g37.45 gap at $499, so you can't beat $425 for a great pistol. too bad i have one already..

One is never enough. :D
 
Barry,

Trigger spring breakage in the Glocks is not unheard of. Of course, that doesn't mean it's common either.

The NY trigger spring is considered to be more durable than the coil springs and many folks use the setup you now have but with the 3.5lb connector. That gives a pull weight similar to the original but with a bit more crispness.

FWIW, I've never personally seen a broken Glock trigger spring even though I own 4 Glocks--I got my information from quizzing a fellow who owns a rental range.

BTW, if you know what's causing the springs to break then I would think that fixing the problem might restore your confidence. I shudder to think what would happen if every 1911 owner lost confidence in the design the first time a part broke or the gun malfunctioned or a gunsmith had to "tune" it...
 
i carry and shoot a G-17, it outshoots my springfield 1911, however i belive some of that is the gun and some is the shooter, but i know i certainly have a higher hit ratio with the glock, BTW it is completly stock except for fixed nightsights.
Oddly enough my $150 bulgie mak out shoots both, havn't a clue as to why.
-Jesse
 
Don't have any exp w/ Glocks except for its rabid fan base....

I personally will buy HK till I Die...or run out of money....(HK USP .40 C)

or find one that doesn't do what i ask it to every time w/o fail =) (even if i get one - i'll call it a winger) but so far... no failures at all - and shoots damn good....

so...

hehe

J/Tharg!

EDIT: oh - and i find glocks to be ugly.... just my opine... rofl - so prolly won't ever have one... thankfully HK filled that spot =)
 
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