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Added 8x57mm to cart, received 8x57 JRS

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  1. Cump

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    I ordered some 8x57 Mauser for my brother online from Cabelas, intending it for his Hakim. I received the rimmed variant 8x57 JRS. After receiving it I double checked what I ordered. On the produce page, where you can add to cart, it simply said 8x57mm. I thought that was clear enough and didn't check the "Product Research" page when I ordered, which indicated it was JRS. Whoops, always check the product research.

    Got me thinking what other ammo this could happen with. Unlikely, but a site could list 45 acp as 45 auto and then specify it is auto rim on another tab. Any others? Any stories of surprise at the ammo you received?

    I did suggest to Cabelas they should just list it as 8x57 JRS on the page where you add it to the cart -- for the ignorant who didn't know to be more careful.
     
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    Icouldvery easily have made the same mistake. I think Cabella's owes you a free swap.
     
  3. Willie Sutton

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    If not, I've got a drilling it'll fit and can relieve you of your burden. PM if you like.


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    Wally world did the same thing to my neighbor. He asked the clerk for 38 special, she put 38 super in the bag. He didn't notice till he got home. His next trip to Wally's he asked for a return/exchange as it was the clerks fault. They refused!!!!!!
     
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    Most places, including Wal-mart, post signs stating no returns on purchased ammo.

    And with good reason. Like with medicine and such, nobody would want to purchase ammo or medicine that has been in the hands of an unknown.

    Just my 2 ¢.
     
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    One time I ordered 38 acp accidentally when I meant to order 380 acp. This was back during the ammo shortage so I guess I didn't notice that the price was unusually high.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_ACP

    I can see someone looking for 38 Super Automatic accidentally buying this stuff.
     
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    My LGS sold me a box of 8x57 JRS for my vz. 24 Mauser. I didn't pick up the mistake until I opened the box a few weeks later.

    I took it back and the clerk and I both agreed that we had both screwed up, and he cheerfully took it back in exchange for a box of rimless. Could happen to anyone, but it's one of the nice things about having a long-standing relationship with a local store.

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    Didn't know Walmart carried .38 super!
     
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    Take Willie up on his offer! There might be half a dozen people in North America who have use for 8x57R for anything other than a curiosity...

    I've seen (pictures of) drillings and doubles in 7x57R, but I didn't even know there was such a thing as rimmed 8mm...


    Other variants: Federal(?) tried to interest people in a 9x19R a while back. 6.5x53 Mannlicher came in both rimmed and rimless; entirely different cartridges with too-similar names. There's a 5.56x45R in Germany; a rimmed .223 Remington.
     
  10. Willie Sutton

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    "There's a 5.56x45R in Germany; a rimmed .223 Remington."


    ^^ Which is also a caliber for Drillings, or more precisely generally for a barrel insert for a drilling to reduce it down to .22 centerfire. Need the rim for extraction. It's more like a rimmed .222 but who's counting?


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    Thanks for the commiserations. Cabelas emailed back and suggested I call my local store, where I picked up the order, and that store credit might be in order. Which I appreciate, considering the no returns policy on ammo. Also said they would look into updating the product page.

    Sorry Willie, unless Cabela's wants it back for some unexpected reason, I already offered it to my brother to pull the bullets and use the powder. But maybe he'll agree it is much more appropriate for someone to use it as intended.

    There would still be the unused brass at some indefinite point in the future.:eek:
     
  12. Willie Sutton

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    I'd be happy to buy the brass, but equally happy just to have what you want sent to you in trade. I need to buy the ammo anyway.


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    Thanks Willie.
     
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    During the height of the banic, my local Wal-Mart started to stock .223WSSM. People bought it up like crazy. I asked one guy what be was buying it for, and was told it was for his AR, and that I should buy some before it gets banned. I tried to point out that .223WSSM was not the same a .223 Rem. I got a dirty look. Would have loved to see how that look changed when he tried loading super short magnum into his mags. I only hope he wasn't too successful.
     
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    Half dozen?? I know a dozen myself! I bet you there are thousands of JRS owners in NA alone, all firing there drillings, combo guns and double rifles... OR even multiples of thousands!

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    ^^
    There are certainly enough of us to make it worthwhile for Cabelas to stock ammo.

    Funny when we can buy obscure metric ammo for our Drillings and not for a .22 ... ;-)


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    Happens to me all the time when I ask for 357sig, the clerk will 3/4 of the time hand me 357mag.
     
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    In my early handloading days I once mistakenly bought .355 bullets instead of .357 for my .38Special loads. Worked fine, shot well. But I didn't do it again.
    Had a buddy once order 8X56R Hungarian dies from Lee, but he received 8X57 Mauser dies (which he already had). They did exchange them free.
     
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    Cump,

    You wrote: "I ordered some 8x57 Mauser for my brother online from Cabelas, intending it for his Hakim. I received the rimmed variant 8x57 JRS. "

    Are you sure you have JRS? and not 8X57 jr?

    What is the brand of ammo they shipped you?

    The Norma 8X57jr's that I have are marked 8X57jr on the box and on the cartridge headstamp and the bullets measure .318".
     
  20. Willie Sutton

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    ^^

    JRS is the more modern .323 diameter bore. "S"= "Spitzgechoss", or "spitzer bullet" which was the change in 1905 from the .318 diameter "J" bore and the 226 grain round nose bullet as standard load for the 8x57 to the larger bore and the pointed spitzer bullet of 154 grains as standard loading.

    "J" = "Infantry", and should be "I" except that the old German gothic script "I" looks like a "J" and so we have a "J" that is a mistake and ought to be an I... (go figure).

    "R" = "Rimmed", of course.

    "S" = "Spitzgeschoss"


    So, within the 7.92x57 family:

    J alone is a rimless small bore. This was the first "Mauser" 8mm for bolt action rifles. "Good Luck" finding any. It's been obsolete since about 1905.

    JR is a rimmed small bore. The combination gun version of the above. And yes, there are still plenty of rifles around using it.

    JS would be a rimless large bore. Basically this is the standard 8x57 or 7.92x57 that the Germans used in WW-II and is what we think of first when we think 8mm Mauser.

    JRS is a rimmed large bore. It's the rimmed version of the above and is today the most common 8mm Drilling caliber.


    Norma produces both JR and JRS as does S&B.



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  21. Jaymo

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    Willie Sutton gave a perfect description of the different 8x57 rounds, IMO.

    I bought some 125 grain .357 Magnum ammo at Wallyworld a while back.
    I specifically asked the woman behind the counter for .357 magnum, NOT SIG.
    When I got home, I read ".357 Sig" on the end flap.
    Took it back and got refund.
     
  22. Cump

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    Bumping this to give Cabelas credit for letting me return the S&B at my local store for full refund.

    Learned about a new cartridge, and didn't even have to pay for that knowledge.
     
  23. DM~

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    In the mean time, my JRS put more meat in my freezer... lol

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