adding single action colts to my collection

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...ballistically i see little if any difference between the two...
Did you read my last post? You're not going to see that kind of velocity out of the .44Spl at standard pressures. That said, there is little that needs doing out to 100yds that can't be done with a 240gr SWC at 1200fps.


i looked on uberti and i cant find much of anything in 44 special
You can get the 1866 from Cimarron in .44Spl and that's as close to the original .44 rimfire as you can get in a new replica. Which is not a bad compromise.
1873's as well.
 
cimarron seems to be the only one offering the 44 special chambering... i should get everything in .44 special, open top and conversion in .44 colt or 44 russian, 44 russian seems like it would chamber in a 44 special firearm just fine...

so i could stock up only on 44 special cases, not needing anything else, then trim some of these down to 44 colt or russian and use these on the firearms that cant take much pressure such as the henrys and open tops, with the full length .44 specials on the rifles and handguns that can handle more..

thatll prevent me from accidently putting a hotter load into a weaker design because id be able to physically see the difference between the two, however still be able to stock up on a bunch of the same cases and use the same bullets making it incredibly cheap to manufacture both rounds
 
i just seen a revolver ive never seen before, its a cap and ball, but if i wasnt bored and looking through random information i probably never would have known it existed... its the rogers and spencer revolver... could anyone tell me more about this because i cant seem to find ANY information?.. and besides the colts, remington, and this, what other cap and ball revolvers were made around the world that i may not be aware of?
 
reloading 44 special vs 44-40

44 special is easy with its straight walled case, carbide dies and many molds and factory bullets available. 44-40 is more time consuming and generally won't work with common .429 bullets. It needs .427 or smaller.
 
smkummer, thats why id rather go .44 special even if it is less than original, its close enough... but right now im looking at the starr double action and rogers and spencer revolvers... dont read too much about these and they do look interesting
 
cimarron seems to be the only one offering the 44 special chambering... i should get everything in .44 special, open top and conversion in .44 colt or 44 russian, 44 russian seems like it would chamber in a 44 special firearm just fine...

so i could stock up only on 44 special cases, not needing anything else, then trim some of these down to 44 colt or russian and use these on the firearms that cant take much pressure such as the henrys and open tops, with the full length .44 specials on the rifles and handguns that can handle more..

thatll prevent me from accidently putting a hotter load into a weaker design because id be able to physically see the difference between the two, however still be able to stock up on a bunch of the same cases and use the same bullets making it incredibly cheap to manufacture both rounds

Yes, any revolver that is chambered for 44 Magnum or 44 Special will also accept 44 Russians, just like a 357 Magnum revolver will also accept 38 Special ammo.

However the same can not always be said about rifles. Even though the shorter 44 Russian round will fit in the chamber of a 44 Special rifle, the Over All Length of the round may present a problem with feeding. Depending on the design, a lever gun chambered for a specific cartridge may or may not be able to accept a shorter version of the same cartridge. The shorter cartridge may be too short and prevent the action from operating properly, jamming the gun. This gets to be pretty specific with different rifles and one only knows when one actually tries the shorter round.

As I said earlier, you do not have to cut down 44 Special cases to 44 Colt or 44 Russian length, both cases are available new from Starline.

Regarding the lighter loads often used in Cowboy Action Shooting, it has nothing to do with older guns. Very few shooters actually use antiques, most shoot Rugers or modern replicas. The reason the loads are often light is because CAS is a game of speed. Shooters who want to shoot a revolver very fast also want recoil low for repeat shots. So many shooters shoot light loads. Personally, I do not care for 45 Colt loads that have been loaded down to imitate a light 38 Special, but I don't set the rules and there you have it. I belong to the minority that shoots Black Power, and my loads duplicate the Black Powder loads of the late 1800s, stuffed to the gills with a charge of Black Powder and a heavy bullet. I am also among the minority that sometimes shoots original guns that are over 100 years old.

Although modern Smokeless powder can indeed outperform the old 19th Century Black Powder loads, a full charge of Black Powder is nothing to sneeze at. You have not lived until you have experienced the roar and recoil of a full charge of FFg and a 250 grain bullet in a Colt.
 
i think im going to go with an 1860 army right now... but im not sure if i want to go with pietta or uberti.... how historically accurate are the piettas vs uberti? i know uberti is very strict on things being as close to original as possible and pietta is making an effort to do the same, but i know piettas 1851 grips are off... so how close is everything on the pietta 1860 army?
 
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