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Advice on a (moderately boring) situation

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by RTR_RTR, Feb 19, 2012.

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  1. RTR_RTR

    RTR_RTR Member

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    Hey all,

    Just looking for a bit of advice on any further action I should take with a situation.

    Background - I live in a studio apartment that is part of a house - the landlords live above me, and they do not know, to my knowledge, that I own a firearm (the topic didn't come up in renting - I have no reason to believe they're pro, anti, or ambivalent for that matter). My area has one door to the outside, located wayyy up the driveway off the street.

    Tonight - At ~10 pm at night, someone tried to open my (locked) door - not persistent about it, just one turn of the knob and push (bolt lock only). Grabbed gun, looked through peephole, no one there. Called landlords, they couldn't think of anyone who would be doing that, so called local security. During that phone call, the security guard divulged to me that it was he who had tried the door, and said something or other about it being scheduled, but that he had the wrong door. Was kind of hard to figure out what exactly he was getting at. Called the landlords back to let them know what was up, and they confirmed that they had called security to let them know they would be going out of town tomorrow, and security had just come to check on the place.

    Anyway, that's where I am now. I think the most likely situation is that the security guard is well intentioned but not too bright. I'd like to convey to him in the most polite but serious manner possible that opening doors without knocking is a quick way to end up in a bad place... but I don't want to give the impression of owning a firearm, or anything like that. Any advice for that, or would you all just leave the situation where it is?

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. doc2rn

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    Same thing happened to me on an internship to Fallschurch, VA side of DC. Best bit of advice: "leave it be." The guard admitted his mistake, no need to go any farther. If it happens again then contact higher chain of command with Security Co.
     
  3. psyopspec

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    You already let him know that the situation caught your notice. That alone is likely to keep him from making the mistake again.

    Escalating with what could easily be interpreted as veiled threats won't help anything.
     
  4. RTR_RTR

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    Thanks - a double consensus and a little time for the sympathetics to die down are all I need :)
     
  5. azgard

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    Why would he announce himself? He was checking to make sure the door was locked and secure to a supposedly vacant house, what would knocking on the door accomplish?
     
  6. 303tom

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    Jiggle the knob of my front door & you will think you just opened the door to the Hounds of Hell...........
     
  7. J-Bar

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    Tell the guard you appreciate his efforts to keep your home secure. The guy is on your side, no need to make an enemy.

    If you live in an area where you feel so insecure that are ready to shoot someone at your front door, I would consider moving. If you don't take the time to discriminate between a security guard who is investigating a possible break-in and a real criminal, you could be headed to court yourself someday.
     
  8. AirForceShooter

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    A security guard that walks around checking door knobs?
    That is just looking for a lawsuit.
    I can't believe the management comapny or the landlord condones this.

    I'd advise the one that applies that this is happening.

    And leave the gun out of it.

    AFS
     
  9. answerguy

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    It seems that the security guard was doing what was asked of him, except that he was checking the wrong door. Regardless, what would you suggest someone would sue him for?
     
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    If it were me I would keep my mouth shut, about my firearms, and my door locked 24/7.
     
  11. NOLAEMT

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    I think this falls firmly into the category of no harm no foul.

    He made a mistake, and I don't think it will happen again. I agree that having someone turn my doorknob would get my interest in a hurry, but after figuring out what it was, it doesn't seem like a big deal.

    Part of living in an apartment is that others will be around, and sometimes in your apartment, most leases allow for access, even without permission for various reasons. Just wait until there is a leak somewhere in the building, and you come home to find the maintenance man, landlord, and a plumbing crew in your bedroom when you come home from work, and you have no power to ask them to leave.
     
  12. RTR_RTR

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    -The landlords were leaving the next day, so regardless of which door he tried, it would have been into an occupied residence.

    One only has so much choice in where they live - particularly as a grad student on grad student money going to school in a big city, with not much free time to commute (averaging over 90 hour weeks). Still managed to get in one of the safest spots in the city. Regardless of where you live, however, you're telling me if someone let themselves into your home, your reply would be "Howdy! Commode's first door to the left, I assume that's what you're looking for. Want a drink while you sit?"

    I think that's fairly absurd. I think grabbing a firearm to a late night unexpected attempted entry is beyond reasonable (no matter where you live), particularly in a studio where you're not going to have much time to do anything if the next thing to happen is a kick to the door.

    I'm the sole tenant, and my landlords are 100% about keeping me informed about what's going on. I lived in a big complex for 2 years, and there's a big operational, if not legal, difference in the way my current landlords take care of things.

    ---

    All that aside, I'm still in agreement that I have no need to follow up with anything. Just wanted to clear some things up.
     
  13. J-Bar

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    One only has so much choice in where they live - particularly as a grad student on grad student money going to school in a big city, with not much free time to commute (averaging over 90 hour weeks). Still managed to get in one of the safest spots in the city. Regardless of where you live, however, you're telling me if someone let themselves into your home, your reply would be "Howdy! Commode's first door to the left, I assume that's what you're looking for. Want a drink while you sit?"

    YOU have absolute control over where you live. You choose your career, your school, your city. No one put a gun to your head to force you to live and study where YOU have chosen. If you are uncomfortable with any aspect of your current situation, YOU have the power to change it. Sitting there imagining yourself to be a victim when your circumstances are totally of your own choosing is a great rationalization, but not convincing. Your excuse sound like those offered by women who choose to remain with an abuser, rather than taking steps to improve their situation.

    Of course you have the right to defend yourself if the situation arises. I'm suggesting that you minimize the chances of that occuring in the first place with judicious choices.
     
  14. rcmodel

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    Mmmmm?
    Thats what security guards are supposed to do.

    They don't call them Door Shakers for nothing.

    In 1923, Luegemus Bratton, a pioneer in the field of private security is credited for coining the phrase “door shaker” because he literally went from store to store in the middle of
    the night checking the front and back doors of business to make sure they were securely fastened.
    Beat cops did it long before that.

    rc
     
  15. RTR_RTR

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    How am I victimizing myself? I just didn't feel the need to qualify my "you can only choose so much" statement with "with balancing based on a number of other factors." I could certainly be a rancher in the middle of nowhere. That's not what I want to do for my life, and I've made a living decision (that I'm very happy with) based on my career decision. I was just defending the (in my opinion) ridiculous notion that you should apparently base all living decisions off of safety? It's a very important but not te sole factor
     
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    Please re-read my posts.

    No where have I stated that safety should be the primary factor in decision making.

    I said, "IF YOU live in an are where YOU feel insecure...", "IF YOU are uncomfortable with any aspect of your current situation..."

    You are the one who posted that you were concerned about unauthorized entry to your abode. If you are satisfied with your present situation, I am starting to wonder why you made your original post. Did you really expect anyone on this forum to recommend announcing that you have a gun and are ready to shoot an intruder?

    I'm glad you are comfortable with your choices. Good luck in school.
     
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    The security dispatch may have gotten the dates wrong and dispatched the officer a day early, but even if it had been the right day, the door check would have still been done.

    The homeowner should have advised security that even though they were going out of town, someone would still be in residence in the downstairs apt. Whether the HO volunteered the info or not, whoever took the call should have asked and the officer doing the check should have had that info.

    Failure to record and/or relay that information created a dangerous situation for both you and the officer. For the safety of all involved, make sure the HO advises security of your presence when they call in out of town. You might want to follow up with the security company to make sure they are aware of what happened so they can take the necessary steps on their end to make sure the information is communicated properly. You don't need to tell anyone you are armed--that's your call, but you need to be aware of the possibility of such security checks and take care not to overreact.

    FWIW, I used to manage a private security operation and encountered this problem more than once.
     
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    Some of you make such a big deal over nothing. There is not a conspiracy in everything odd or unscheduled. I consider myself aware of my surroundings but I would hate to live my life like some of you claim to.
    (not directed at the op)
     
  20. RTR_RTR

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    But where did I hint at any such thing? I said I was made uncomfortable by an unexpected attempted entry into my home, which should be enough for someone in any living situation to have their guard raised a fair bit.

    Thank you for the advice. I actually probably will follow up and just let them know of the separate living situation

    Edit: Don't see an option to lock your own thread, but a mod is welcome to do so if they don't think anything else useful is to come of it. My q has been answered
     
  21. MachIVshooter

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    This is a non-event. People go to the wrong door (or right door number, wrong building) in apartment complexes all the time. Unless they're persistent about trying to enter, there is nothing you can (or should) do about it.
     
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    I say no harm no foul, you were prepared and acted properly. He made a mistake and probably got some bad info about what he was suppose to do and when it was suppose to take place.
     
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    I don't wish to be brash or rude to the original poster, but I'm rather surprised that this event was even brought up. Even more confounding is the number of responses that this post has generated.

    I can completely understand your initial alarm at a late night jiggle of your door. However, the situation was later determined to be a complete accident by a well meaning security guard employed by your landlords. Some of these inflammatory responses are transforming a harmless, albeit unexpected, jiggle to the devil himself busting through the door.

    "Unleashing the hounds of Hell" - Sir, are you downright mad?

    I fully realize the uncertain and often frightening modern times we share today. However, those that are sane will not restore health in the world by choosing to live their lives in an alternate form of mania.
     
  24. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    Simple comprehension of the stated sentence would have led you to understand that the person posting that was intending the readers to understand he has DOGS. Which, if that were to happen here, anyone "jiggling" my door knob would also get a pretty healthy intimidation of very deep, aggressive, downright vicious sounding, growls that would make the hair of the devil himself stand up and take notice. (I love my boys :D )

    OP, I to am in the boat of get in touch with the security company to verify that they are indeed informed of your presence at the residence.
     
  25. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    The DA will be thinking the same thing about your at your negligent homicide trial.
     
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