Advice on a trap/skeet gun...

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  1. bflobill_69

    bflobill_69 Member

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    Looking to buy first 12 gauge this next week, and I am just not that well versed in shotguns to say the least...

    The gun would primarily be for trap/skeet/birding.

    Any and ALL advice very welcome!

    Bflobill69
     
  2. Smitty in CT

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    What kind of budget are you looking at???

    What kind of shotgun are you looking for, Over/Under, autoloader, pump???

    Also, Trap & Skeet are two different games, recreational skeet shooters generally shoot a sporting/hunting type of gun, competition shooters have specifically designed guns that can & do run into the thousands of dollars ballpark...

    Trap Guns tend to shoot higher than traditional guns since the targets are climbing away from the shooter...

    For an "all purpose" shotgun, I would recommend the following:

    1) Mossberg 930 - reliable and inexpensive
    2) Beretta 390/3901 - reliable & a little more money

    Good luck,
     
  3. oneounceload

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    The main clay games in the US are: American trap, American Skeet, 5-stand, and sporting clays. Also around is International Trap, aka Bunker, International Skeet, FITASC, and helice.

    American singles trap is a unique game unto itself as only one round per target is used, (except for the time they shoot doubles, most folks don't), therefore the development of the trap single. Skeet has doubles, 5-stand, sporting, FITASC have doubles, International Skeet and Helice allow two shots at a single target.

    Towards that end, to allow you the most flexibility, a gun capable of firing two shots would be best. While not necessarily the best for American trap, it can be done, and it doesn't sound like you are entering serious competition at this time.

    Depending on your budget, I would recommend either a quality semi like the Beretta in one of the 390/391 flavors, or a good over under from the likes of Browning/Beretta/SKB.

    The semis will be less expensive than the over unders. Even new semis will be less than a comparable used over/under. The O?U has the advantage of being able to use 2 different chokes for clay games or birds, while the single barrel semi means a compromise. It's not THAT big of a deal in most cases.

    My suggestion would be to go to your local gun club (shotgun, not metallic), and explain your situation, ask to borrow or rent as many different guns as you can and shoot them to see which ones fit you the best and give you the score from the get go. While stock dimensions can always be tweaked, if there is something already really close, that would be the best place to start. A GOOD quality gun will not be cheap, but then you only buy it once (read my sig line). The money you will spend on ammo and targets, gas and hunting licenses will far outrun the cost of a good gun over your lifetime. Another advantage is that if you decide to stop, or upgrade to something better, you'll get most, if not all, of your money from a better quality gun than you will from the likes of the cheap ones.

    there will be folks coming on here and saying how their Chinese/Brazilian/Russian gun has beaten the guys with Kreighoffs, etc. Most of them have never handled a well-balanced gun that runs forever - there IS a difference, and once you feel it and experience it for yourself, you'll understand what I am saying.

    Good luck in your quest - if you give us some more info regarding budget, action type you like, recommendations can get narrowed even further
     
  4. joehxx

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    Singles trap-12ga. 28" -32" barrel with choke tubes, single,pump,semi or O/U
    Skeet 26" -28" barrel, semi auto or O/U. pump with choke tubes.if you have quick reflexes. Buy U.S,Italian,Spanish.With firearms you get what you pay for.
     
  5. Red Cent

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    Oneounceload, is Wobbly clays hid in there somewhere?:evil:
     
  6. Captcurt

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    I hate wobble clays. If that was all I had to shoot at I would sell my guns.

    You did notice that I said shoot at, didn't ya?

    Now back to the OP. Skeet, sporting clays and 5 stand are made to order for an open choked, quick handling semi-auto or O/U. You can shoot them with anything but the majority shoot O/U or SAs. These same guns work great for birds. Trap calls for a higher comb, longer barrel and tighter chocks. I don't know what to recommend for wobble trap. I haven't been able to hit enough to know what works.
     
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    Wobble trap is an American trap game that still involves one shot per target - it is not a registered game, merely fun, but you only need one shot. Try bunker - targets 50% faster, going 50% further; or international skeet - layout is the same as American, except the gun is on the hip, there's is a random delay up to 3 seconds, or maybe Helice would be better - mechanical pigeons simulation that some say is harder than real pigeons......... :D
     
  8. winchester '97

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    I still like my Model 12 trap gun, but if you can find one the Mossberg 500 trap model is an excellent starter gun for a beginner at trap, for an all around gun the Mossberg 500 or maverick is hard to beat for a starter gun, you can configure the barrel and chokes to whatever game you play, for very cheap if you but used. like under 200 bucks cheap.
     
  9. Onward Allusion

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    Single Shot or Pump for Trap. Semi-Auto or Over/Under for Skeet. Start with Trap singles.

    If you're just starting out, get something inexpensive or used because you may not like the sport.

     
  10. Armored farmer

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    I have been a Remington fan for a long time.

    I think an 1100 That FITS YOU would make a fine starter gun. It would do well in all disciplines of clay games. An added plus would be in lighter recoil.

    Ask Leo Harrison III if an 1100 would do!!
     
  11. PJR

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    You play wobble trap differently than we do. Faster targets, full motion range of the trap machine, two shots per target. Shoot one target and move to the next position. It's a fast moving game that is closer to bunker or British DTL than American trap.

    We also play Wobble Annie and then the fun begins. :)
     
  12. oneounceload

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    Your version is closer to DTL or bunker. We added a wobble to our 5-stand - the machine is over our heads and when part of a pair makes for some fun and challenging targets.

    I would love to have a wobble elevated and facing me to simulate harder driven targets/birds.

    Helice is, IMO, the ultimate shotgun game that doesn't involve live birds
     
  13. bflobill_69

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    Definitely NOT entering SERIOUS competition... a newcomer to shooting clays here!

    Thankyou all for your input/advice, it has given me alot to think about.

    Perhaps I need to think more about a multipurpose shotgun.

    Bflobill69
     
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