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African Safari hunting video, ethical or not?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by phantomak47, Jul 28, 2007.

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  1. phantomak47

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    I came across this on Youtube the other day and I did a little research on it, apparently the guy who organizes these hunts shoots the game animal with a .22 to annoy them so that they charge. Some of these charges are really close calls, I would say that they are just plain crazy. Personally I wouldn't want to torment any game animal.


    Would you say that this is ethical or unethical hunting, or just plain dumb?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJw4Goegxwc
     
  2. LarryS.

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    I suppose the argument could be made that it isn't even hunting but rather marketing......either way ...IMHO... it's unethical if the animals were baited or wounded off camera to "set up" the charges.
    I edited this post after I emailed one of Mr. Sullivan's known west coast clients for his opinion. I'll post the reply if I receive one....the client is an attorney and may not take the time to respond to a stranger's question regarding the matter.
     
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    Can the animal even be used after shooting it? What do they do with the Hippopotamus? It isn't even hunting to me. They walk up to the animal, and when it looks up to see what's going on, it's shot. Granted I don't know anything about big game hunting, but shooting cheetas out of trees is totally wrong and unethical to me.
     
  4. Big Daddy K

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    Whats unethical about it? It's hunting!

    I dont like the music with the video. I think its disrespectful but cant explain why. I dont like people hanging thier ties or hats on buck mounts either. Kinda disrespectful to the animal IMO.

    I would rather hear what is acually going on so that people who dont know the first thing about big game hunting dont assume it's wrong and unethical.

    FYI there wasnt music playing when the shots acually occured. Looks like it was pretty intense to me.

    Cant imagine how anyone could get within shooting range of a cheetah or a lion without them knowing something was up.
     
  5. Big Daddy K

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    Not doubting your research but would like a little more info.

    I didnt think ya had to shoot a Cape Buffalo with a 22 to get it to charge but I could be wrong. A good stalk and surprised animal is enough as far as I know. I would imagine a 22 to irritate would send the beast running but I could be wrong.
    Guess I'll have to do a little research on that as well.
     
  6. LarryS.

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    See my edit of post #2....

    As to the hippo meat....as is often the case, the local tribes often get the meat as do the tracker's families. Not much is wasted from what I've read.
    Getting close to a cheetah in a tree was probably due to the use of a blind and bait in the tree. Sit quietly, downwind, out of sight, and it can amaze most people how near game will approach you.
    Again, from reading only! I've never hunted anything larger than a Ring-Necked pheasant, or a rabbit.
    However...........I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!!
     
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    Maybe it's the presentation but that didn't look like hunting. In one segment it appeared as though they were shooting a napping cat? I admire someone who can pass shoot a goose at 40 yards a lot more than someone who wacks a Lion while it's laying down.
     
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    Since it's been explained that much of the animal is used and not wasted it seems to me that the video was just editied in such a way to make it look bad. I'm also not sure of the circumstances that are allowing these guys to be standing in the open up close with large game. Since I really can't deduce either way what's going on my main concern is what happens with the animal after it is shot, and what are the circumstances leading up to the shot?
     
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    The video link is not working properly.

    Re: the .22 to get the animal responding, no, I can't agree with that as a hunting practice. Re: the shooting a game animal that is on the ground, I don't see it as not sporting. In such a case, it merely demonstrates that the hunter was an excellent tracker/stalker of the game. Such a condition allows for an excellent, one-shot kill. If given the choice between "sporting" or fact-firm, painless and instantaneous kill, I'll take the later.
     
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    It wasent one guy shooting there where othere behind the camera if he needed help.
    I really dont think that was hunting walking up to an animal and shooting it in the face.
     
  11. Big Daddy K

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    Where would you shoot a wounded animal?
     
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    Yes much more sporting to shoot the dangerous game from hundred yards or more than up close.:scrutiny:
     
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    The video is NOT Shut down you will have to register with Youtube to view it.
     
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    I DID NOT say shooting down game "hundred yards" would be more sporting.
     
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    So what is your definition of hunting??
     
  17. Harley Quinn

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    The video is NOT Shut down you will have to register with Youtube to view it.
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    Thanks, I'll check it out.
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    You can get four good lion baits out of one hippo. The hide makes good sjamboks. The hippo ivory from the tusks can be used in various decorative or function applications (knife handle, wood inlays, etc.) In some places the hippo will feed a whole village for the better part of a week. (Not all African natives eat hippo meat.)
     
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    My gut tells me that this is just plain wrong. Shooting the lions was especially disturbing.
     
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    MinScout.

    If you have the permits it is OK, they say.

    Go for the ones that won't make it through the winter, you'll feel better:cool:
     
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    What's legal and what's ethical are often two very different things. I admit that some parts of the video were exciting to watch, but I think the very fact that these killings were video recorded for entertainment value is what I find disturbing. Hunting is not a spectator sport, imho.
     
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    Ok, So now we are not allowed to show hunting on videos:confused:

    The person is wrong for videoing this humane killing with a shot to the head to dispatch it?

    Or :confused:
     
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    Fair chase is part of the ethics. The quarry must have the opportunity to avoid/evade/escape.

    Clean kill is part of the deal. It strikes me as unethical to slightly wound an animal to provoke a charge. (And definitely stoopid.)

    Why not shoot an animal in the head? It's usually a guaranteed kill, DRT with some quivering. The exception would be for something like a whitetail or mule deer, where the bullet could blow out the bone in the area of the base of the antler--messing up the trophy.

    The preferred shot on dangerous game such as African buffalo or hippo seems to be one which breaks bone and immobilizes the animal. The prototypical heart/lung shot as used on whitetail means that you have a dangerous animal with at least ten or twenty seconds of violent activity remaining. That can mean a one-time event for an unlucky hunter.

    Videotaping a hunt is okay, but it sure means that the cameraman has infinite faith in the capability of the shooter. If the shooter goofs? Think about it...

    Art
     
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    too close for my comfort level
     
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    Aren't Cheetahs a threatened species?
     
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