After looking him in the eye for a long time,the LEO handed him back his rifle without saying a word

[CoRoMo]

I remember watching this guy on TV 25 years ago. Anyone else remember him?

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...o-confiscated-his-rifle-during-the-l-a-riots/

Korean American reveals what he told a cop who confiscated his rifle during the L.A. riots

It was the first time he’s ever told the story publicly.

Richard Kim rushed to his parents’ store in Koreatown when he heard that his mother had been shot on the second day of the riots. Arriving on the scene, he said the streets were in chaos with the police seemingly abandoning the area. He had a legally obtained Ruger semi-automatic rifle...

 

[P5 Guy]

NatGeo ran a documentary LA92 last night.
About 10 minutes of the two hour program mentioned the Koreatown folks protecting their property. The one scene I thought funny was the news crew filming the rioting got more of a fright when the Koreans opened fire than from the looters.

 

[CoalTrain49]

It could happen again. Cops aren't anymore concerned with property damage by mobs today than they were 25 years ago. Actually, they are probably less concerned if anything. The riots in Ferguson was a good example of that. Just walk away and let them loot and burn it to the ground. A person has a right to protect their property.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

It could happen again. Cops aren't anymore concerned with property damage by mobs today than they were 25 years ago. Actually, they are probably less concerned if anything. The riots in Ferguson was a good example of that. Just walk away and let them loot and burn it to the ground. A person has a right to protect their property.

Sounds someone talking about something they know nothing about other then what was put on the news.
How much property was damaged in Baton Rouge LA. last year after the riots started? Even when two Officer on my dept. and one from EBRSO were murdered last July, we kept doing our job of protecting the citizens of Baton Rouge.
Every city where riots occurred one big goal was to shut down the interstate. It happened in every city but one, Baton Rouge LA.
The DOJ is supposed to announce the findings on the Alton Sterling shooting anytime this month. We are on standby and will do our job to protect the property and citizens of our city.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Sounds someone talking about something they know nothing about other then what was put on the news.
How much property was damaged in Baton Rouge LA. last year after the riots started? Even when two Officer on my dept. and one from EBRSO were murdered last July, we kept doing our job of protecting the citizens of Baton Rouge.
Every city where riots occurred one big goal was to shut down the interstate. It happened in every city but one, Baton Rouge LA.
The DOJ is supposed to announce the findings on the Alton Sterling shooting anytime this month. We are on standby and will do our job to protect the property and citizens of our city.

You work in one city in the US. Are you speaking for your dept. or every dept. in every large city in the US?

I admire your dedication. That's the way it should be. I know it's a tough job, never said it wasn't.

This is from the DOJ.

Marked “Internal Review Only – CONFIDENTIAL” and “NOT FOR DISSEMINATION,” the draft report determined that the Ferguson, St. Louis County and St. Louis police departments as well as the Missouri State Highway Patrol failed in dozens of areas to keep the peace, ease tension and end the rolling nightly violence.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-draft-report-20150630-story.html

When I say cops I don't mean the rank and file. I worked with a lot of sheriff's deputies before I retired. I mean the dept heads like sheriffs, chiefs and precinct captains. Obviously you do what you are instructed to do.

My point was you can't depend on the police to protect you or your property.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

50 deaths, 1,700 Korean businesses destroyed. This is what happens when the police abandon an entire city for 4 days and leave the residents helpless. It's happened repeatedly, LA, Crown Heights, Ferguson. You need to be prepared to take care you yourself.

Mike

 

[sirgilligan]

I will never forget what happened after Katrina in New Orleans. I was at the NRA Convention in Louisville. I recall an interview with an elderly black lady that was disarmed by the police and left her without defense.

Now, "they" are trying to re-write history. Saying that the police confiscated guns because the police needed the firepower. They are trying to say some wrong was done, but it was an acceptable level.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/nra-hurricane-katrina-gun-confiscation/

I will not forget. I know that there are law enforcement officers that are good people. The first line of defense is ME. As long as LE and everyone else respect that then there will be no trouble from me.

The officer that gave the rifle back to Richard Kim gets my praise for doing what was right. I am glad such officers exist.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

You work in one city in the US. Are you speaking for your dept. or every dept. in every large city in the US?

I admire your dedication. That's the way it should be. I know it's a tough job, never said it wasn't.

This is from the DOJ.



http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-draft-report-20150630-story.html

When I say cops I don't mean the rank and file. I worked with a lot of sheriff's deputies before I retired. I mean the dept heads like sheriffs, chiefs and precinct captains. Obviously you do what you are instructed to do.

My point was you can't depend on the police to protect you or your property.

I agree 100% that everyone should be ready and willing to defend their property. As a LEO I know that my brothers and I can not be everywhere all the time.
I wish more people would get a CCW license. But also know the laws, in your local area, state and federal.
We were luck in Baton Rouge. A lot of the professional rioters had been ID'ed from the other cities like Ferguson.
In those cities where the DOJ found the Police lacking in there duties was due to the Mayors in those cities. Those officers were told to stand down, Baton Rouge did not. We have a Chief that remembers what it is to be a real pplice officer and stands 100% behind us. Most of the trouble makers we had where from outsiders. I am also proud of the citizens of Baton Rouge. They refused to let the outsiders influence them into destroying the place where they live and work.
With a new President in office that will not turn a blind eye, I wait to see what will happen.

Sorry if I came across a little ruff in my first post. One of the Baton Rouge Officers killed last year, M. Jackson, was a friend. And I hate how the media will twist facts to make a story look the way they want.

 

[Moparnut]

I lived in and around LA for most of my young life. I watched the smoke as South Central and other areas burned. As I got older ( early 20s) the attitude towards self defense changed drastically in CA. It was sad to see what happened in 92, it is just as sad to watch today. California as a whole no longer believes you, as an individual, have the right to protect yourself. Had this happened today I personally believe Mr. Kim would have been led away in handcuffs and would currently be fighting to stay out of prison.

 

[HOWARD J]

In jul '67 in Detriot they were shooting at cars on I-94 from their houses. The good thing about rifle bullet holes is that they taper the metal in--so it makes using Bondo easier to repair the hole.

 

[Deanimator]

50 deaths, 1,700 Korean businesses destroyed. This is what happens when the police abandon an entire city for 4 days and leave the residents helpless. It's happened repeatedly, LA, Crown Heights, Ferguson. You need to be prepared to take care you yourself.

And make no mistake, Daryl Gates INTENTIONALLY sat on his hands. He'd done it before during the Watts riots.

I GUARANTEE you, that at least some of the Koreans remembered the aftermath of the Great Kanto Earthquake of of 1923 when hundreds of ethnic Koreans were lynched by Japanese mobs. I suppose if I dug up my English-Korean Korean-English dictionary, I could figure out how to say "Never again" in Korean...

Police have no legal duty to protect you as an individual. Anybody who tells you different is a liar.

Protect YOURSELF or don't get protected AT ALL.

 

[hdwhit]

CoalTrain49 wrote:
A person has a right to protect their property.

Yes. But just how one goes about exercising that right makes the difference between being hailed as a hero or convicted as a murderer.

We need look no further than the Strategy, Tactics & Training forum on this very website for a post dealing with the recent mob robbery of a BART train to see people recommending shooting into the crowd of people that contained not only the mob but its other victims.

 

[Hanzo581]

It could happen again. Cops aren't anymore concerned with property damage by mobs today than they were 25 years ago. Actually, they are probably less concerned if anything. The riots in Ferguson was a good example of that. Just walk away and let them loot and burn it to the ground. A person has a right to protect their property.

Not in my state I don't, at least not with a firearm.

 

[Deanimator]

Not in my state I don't, at least not with a firearm.

I would suspect that if your "property" is a building and you're IN it, you'd have the right to protect it from somebody with a Molotov cocktail.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Different states have different laws. Here is Louisiana Revised Statutes on Riots.


Title 14 (State Statues)

§329.1. Riot

A riot is a public disturbance involving an assemblage of three or more persons acting together or in concert which by tumultuous and violent conduct, or the imminent threat of tumultuous and violent conduct, results in injury or damage to persons or property or creates a clear and present danger of injury or damage to persons or property.


329.2. Inciting to riot

Inciting to riot is the endeavor by any person to incite or procure any other person to create or participate in a riot.


329.3. Command to disperse; who may give; failure to comply

A. Any law enforcement or peace officer or public official responsible for keeping the peace may issue a command to disperse under the authority of R.S. 14:329.1 through 329.8 if he reasonably believes that riot is occurring or about to occur. The command to disperse shall be given in a manner reasonably calculated to be communicated to the assemblage.

B. Whoever willfully fails to comply with a lawful command to disperse shall be punished in accordance with the provisions of R.S. 14:329.7.


329.4. Wrongful use of public property; permits for use of public property

A. Wrongful use of public property is:

(1) The intentional entering of or onto any public property without the permission of the lawful custodian thereof, or his designated representative, at any time when the public property is not open to the public and the remaining in or occupying of any public property after having been requested to leave by the lawful custodian thereof, or his designated representative, or any law enforcement or peace officer, and

(2) The depriving of the general public of the intended use of public property without a permit.

D. For the purposes of this Section, the term "public property" means any public land, building, facility, structure, or enclosure used for a public purpose or as a place of public gathering, owned or under the control of the state or one of its agencies or political subdivisions.


329.7. Punishment

A. Whoever willfully is the offender or participates in a riot, or is guilty of inciting a riot, or who fails to comply with a lawful command to disperse, or who is guilty of wrongful use of public property, or violates any other provision hereof shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

B. Where as a result of any willful violation of the provisions of R.S. 14:329.1-14:329.8 there is any serious bodily injury or any property damage in excess of five thousand dollars, such offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than five years.

C. Where, as a result of any willful violation of the provisions of R.S. 14:329.1-14:329.8, the death of any person occurs, such offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not to exceed twenty-one years.

14 (State Statues)

§329.1. Riot

A riot is a public disturbance involving an assemblage of three or more persons acting together or in concert which by tumultuous and violent conduct, or the imminent threat of tumultuous and violent conduct, results in injury or damage to persons or property or creates a clear and present danger of injury or damage to persons or property.


329.2. Inciting to riot

Inciting to riot is the endeavor by any person to incite or procure any other person to create or participate in a riot.


329.3. Command to disperse; who may give; failure to comply

A. Any law enforcement or peace officer or public official responsible for keeping the peace may issue a command to disperse under the authority of R.S. 14:329.1 through 329.8 if he reasonably believes that riot is occurring or about to occur. The command to disperse shall be given in a manner reasonably calculated to be communicated to the assemblage.

B. Whoever willfully fails to comply with a lawful command to disperse shall be punished in accordance with the provisions of R.S. 14:329.7.


329.4. Wrongful use of public property; permits for use of public property

A. Wrongful use of public property is:

(1) The intentional entering of or onto any public property without the permission of the lawful custodian thereof, or his designated representative, at any time when the public property is not open to the public and the remaining in or occupying of any public property after having been requested to leave by the lawful custodian thereof, or his designated representative, or any law enforcement or peace officer, and

(2) The depriving of the general public of the intended use of public property without a permit.

D. For the purposes of this Section, the term "public property" means any public land, building, facility, structure, or enclosure used for a public purpose or as a place of public gathering, owned or under the control of the state or one of its agencies or political subdivisions.


329.7. Punishment

A. Whoever willfully is the offender or participates in a riot, or is guilty of inciting a riot, or who fails to comply with a lawful command to disperse, or who is guilty of wrongful use of public property, or violates any other provision hereof shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

B. Where as a result of any willful violation of the provisions of R.S. 14:329.1-14:329.8 there is any serious bodily injury or any property damage in excess of five thousand dollars, such offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than five years.

C. Where, as a result of any willful violation of the provisions of R.S. 14:329.1-14:329.8, the death of any person occurs, such offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not to exceed twenty-one years.

 

[Hanzo581]

I would suspect that if your "property" is a building and you're IN it, you'd have the right to protect it from somebody with a Molotov cocktail.

Sure, in the context of his statement I took it as going down to your store with a gun to protect it from rioters, or not evacuating, instead staying to hold down the fort. In your home, or stuck in your business sure.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Gunny, I like the fact that your state understands the potential threat of a riot to the citizen population and you know exactly what the law is. My apologies if you thought my comments were aimed at you.

I think too many chiefs would rather sit on their thumbs and do nothing. I live near Seattle (75 miles) and I can guarantee you the chief there won't lift a finger to quell a riot. Seen it happen there too many times. Portland is the same way. Too many leftist/socialist mayors hiring chiefs who just don't want to crack any heads to disburse a mob. If they ever get a serious riot rolling in either of those cities you best just clear out.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_may_day_demonstration.html

 

[HOWARD J]

In MI you may protect yourself ( using deadly force)in your house, in your car if being car jacked & on the street you do not have to retreat if attacked.
YOU MAY NOT PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE ( GUY STEALING YOUR CAR OR STUF
FROM YOUR GARAGE)---THIS IS THE ONE I DO NOT LIKE.

 

[Deanimator]

Sure, in the context of his statement I took it as going down to your store with a gun to protect it from rioters, or not evacuating, instead staying to hold down the fort. In your home, or stuck in your business sure.

Those Koreans had every right to be in THEIR businesses. NOBODY had a right to use deadly force against THEM, which arson is.

Once they were there, they were going to STAY there... unless you think it would have been a good idea for them to walk THROUGH the rioters and arsonists.

 

[Hanzo581]

Those Koreans had every right to be in THEIR businesses. NOBODY had a right to use deadly force against THEM, which arson is.

Once they were there, they were going to STAY there... unless you think it would have been a good idea for them to walk THROUGH the rioters and arsonists.

You just wrote exactly what I said, like I said again, if you are in your business and can't safely leave that's being "stuck". There is an obvious difference between protecting your property and protecting your life. Setting a store on fire with a person in it is certainly grounds for you defending yourself. I was more speaking in general.

 

[Moparnut]

Those Koreans had every right to be in THEIR businesses. NOBODY had a right to use deadly force against THEM, which arson is.

Once they were there, they were going to STAY there... unless you think it would have been a good idea for them to walk THROUGH the rioters and arsonists.

I believe CA has an "alley of escape" law. I believe you can use deadly force if you have no way to escape. I may be wrong, but I believe that is the law and has been for some time. Mr. Kim got lucky. I don't know if, by law, he had a right to protect his property or livelihood. At least in CA, other states laws vary.

Personally, if in fear my life, I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by six.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

It also depends on the actions of the Officers that respond to a scene.
A few weeks ago we had a young man walk into a cell phone store in a rougher part of the city. He asked to look at an I7 plus phone. Once he had the phone he ran out the door. The store owner grabbed his gun and ran out into the parking lot and fired striking the car as the thief drove away. The store owner then called 911 and reported what happened.
Was the store owner protecting his property? No.
It was already stolen, his life was not in danger and the suspect was fleeing.
Did the store owner break the law? Yes
Illegal discharge of a firearm in the city limits. Agg. Assault with a firearm.
Now this store owner came to America a few years ago to start a new life and live the American Dream. In the last two years he has been robbed, had people run out of his store with phones and had the front windows of his store shot out.
The responding officers had been dispatched in the past to this shop. The owner was not charged, due to there was no victim to report the agg. assault and the officer did not see the need to charge him with the misdemeanor for firing his gun, but was advised not to shoot at fleeing suspects anymore.
We do understand that some people get frustrated.

Just think what would have happened if the store owner had shot the suspect or killed him. He would charged with Murder or Att. Murder.

 

[CoRoMo]

I live near Seattle (75 miles) and I can guarantee you the chief there won't lift a finger to quell a riot. Seen it happen there too many times. Portland is the same way. Too many leftist/socialist mayors hiring chiefs who just don't want to crack any heads to disburse a mob.

Portland PD did pretty good in February. They gave this snowflake two to the chest for her indecency...

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...ies-to-spit-at-them-so-they-lay-down-the-law/

Female protester gives cops the finger, reportedly tries to spit at them. So they lay down the law.

A female protester aggressively approached a row of officers in riot gear on a sidewalk, got right up in their faces and issued them a double middle finger.

Cops weren’t having it, so they pushed the woman backward, and she tumbled to the ground.

Fellow protesters helped her up, and she got right back in their faces and raised her middle fingers at the officers again — but instead of an encore of pushing her to the ground, an officer fired a pair of rubber bullets into her torso at close range...

 

[JTHunter]

When the riots in Ferguson were happening, it amazed me that these people didn't do more to protect their homes and businesses the way some of the people did during the '92 riots in L.A.
Then it occurred to me that many of these store owners were minorities (mostly black) and, given their generic history and upbringing, most probably did NOT have access to firearms. Many may have even been "prohibited persons" and, as such, had no way to defend their stores.
Even if they weren't prohibited, being "city dwellers", they probably didn't have the mindset to be a gun owner.

After all, they have been taught how bad guns were since they were kids in the '80s.