After much research, I've determined my 9mm 124gr CP load HP38.

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  1. gonoles_1980

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    There is no specific online page or manual that specifies a load for a 9mm 124gr copper plated load. xTreme says use the light to medium Jackets loads, Hodgdon doesn't have anything that matches, nor does my Lyman's reloading manual. I collected data from here and other places on the web and saw ranges from 3.8 to 4.8 HP38 for this. I have a friend that loads W231 for this bullet at 5.0 (which seems high to me, but he said his glock won't eject properly otherwise).

    Send Hodgdon and email and asked them if 4.2gr HP38 with the 124gr CP 9mm was a good starting load. They replied that the load would be appropriate.

    So I'm going to try 4.2gr HP38 124gr CP 9mm with my wife's LC9. Hopefully I'll have time Sunday to load up about 21 and try them out. I'll shoot the first 7, then want my wife to compare to the factory loads she's been using. It'll be my first time for a 9mm, and it'll be on my second pound of powder, since I've used up my first pound of powder and over 2000 reloads later.
     
  2. k9kev88

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    This is good information and very timely for me - I have about 2,000 of these Berry's 9mm CP RN that I need to load and I use HP-38.

    I had previously used WSF for these bullets because of the available Hodgdon data, and it worked OK, but I prefer HP-38.

    Thank you
     
  3. ArchAngelCD

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    IMO the correct HP-38/W231 powder range would probably be 3.9gr to 4.4gr or possible 4.6gr but no more.
     
  4. wlkjr

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    I've only been reloading for 3 months and have only use Berry and Xtreme plated bullets. Haven't been able to score any HP38 but it's on my list. I did find some Power Pistol, Bullseye, and a couple more suited for 9mm.
    Ive had good luck with the plated bullets and it's economical. I don't load hot so they work for me.
     
  5. splattergun

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    Plated bullets are loaded using low-to- midrange jacketed data. 4.3 gr W231/HP38 run my Berry's 124 gr plated FP in my P89 with splendid accuracy, comfortable recoil and zero failure to feed, eject or fire. Beyond 4.5 gr W231/HP38 ruins accuracy, 4.2 gr and under causes FTE. YMMV
     
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    +1 for 4.3 and 4.4 gr W231, I load Xtreme 124gr HP CP, 124gr MG FMJ, 124gr Berrys RN CP, they all run great with that load.:D
     
  7. ImjinScout85

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    That load sounds about right for the 124gr bullet, I load a lot of Berry's 9mm 115gr rn. My load for the 115gr is 4.7/4.8 grs. of hp-38 with a col of 1.125. For the heavier bullet it should take a little less powder. Good luck with the new loads.
     
  8. Belmont148

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    My Auto Disk .40 throws 4.3 gr of HP 38 every time. This is a very accurate and one of the cleanest rounds I run in my Kahr CM9. The cases expand nicely and I get virtually zero soot on the brass and the gun functions flawlessly with a tight spring and unpolished feed ramp.
     
  9. gibekim

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    LC9?

    The Ruger LC9 is a nice conceal and carry weapon. I have one IWB every day all day. They will shoot just about any 9mm load you put into it. However, I would use something more substantial and more accurate to develop a new load even tough you are planing to carry them in the LC9. Because of the very long DA trigger pull they are only very accurate close up. JMHO
     
  10. gonoles_1980

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    gibekim could you expound on your comments? The only 9mm we have is my wife's Ruger 9mm, she's fairly accurate at 20 ft with it, good enough that it would provide some nice body shots. Curious about not wanting to develop a new load with it? I doubt we'll get another 9mm, she has two guns, a Mark I 22 and the LC9. I have a 357 LCR, 38 Charter Arm and a .22 Jennings J-22. My next gun will be another revolver, I haven't figured out what I want yet. I don't know if she wants another gun.
     
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    Sorry for any confusion. I like my LC9, it carries and conceals well. It's rounded edges makes for an easy draw from an IWB holster or a Desantis pocket holster. It is however a compact pistol, 3" barrel, small grip on a light weight polymer frame, with a long double action trigger pull. Its not made for target shooting but may be used for limited practice. A round that you may develop and shoots accurately at 15 to 25 yards will certainly be accurate at 10 to 20 feet. Conversely, a round developed at the shorter distance may not have good performance at greater distances. Since you don't have another 9mm then go with what you have. Your wife appears to be a good shot and is familiar with the weapon. If you intend to do a good amount of shooting 9mm on the range I would get something with a little larger frame. I like Rugers, good quality with a fair price. The SR-9 and P-95 may be something to keep an eye out for.
    Anyway, no disrespect intended, just offering my advice, best of luck to you.
     
  12. PJSprog

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    This makes absolutely no sense to me. If he's developing a load specifically for that gun, why would he not test it in that gun? Testing it in anything else will tell him absolutely nothing beyond whether or not it goes bang.
     
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    http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp


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  14. OH_Spartan

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    Has anyone here tried Titewad with 124 grn? I thought Titewad was too fast to use for much more than 12 ga. I was surprised to see a 9 mm load for it on the Hodgdon website.

    I'm going to load a magazine's worth just for the heck of it.

    I used to use Clay's but have run out since their fire and no availability. Would this perform similarly?
     
  15. gonoles_1980

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    gibekim no disrespect taken, I was just curious about your reasons. Appreciate the response.
     
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    1KPerDay I saw the BERB HBRN TP on Hodgdon, but what I don't know is if that is exactly the same as the xtreme copper plated bullet, I assume it's close and I did use that data in my over planning process. Looking at pictures they look the same. I'm still learning about all this.
     
  17. 2 Horse

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    If you go to X-Treme's site they say keep them under 1200 fps and if you get the heavy plated one it's under 1500 fps.

    I run the 124 flat point plated with Longshot, they push right at 1100 fps
     
  18. OH_Spartan

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    I went out yesterday with two experimental loads for 124. The first was 2.9 grn of titewad which I had so little confidence in that it went into my hi point (see post 14 above for my concerns with titewad ). This load was a major disappointment. It barely cycled, dropped the brass at my ankles. Accuracy was terrible but I was also more focused on the feel of the shot (recoil, cycle, etc) than placement of the bullet. Im going to up it to 3.4 grn (max load per Hodgon.com) and try again.

    The second load wad 4 grn of 700-x. Lets just say im in love. Even without focusing on accuracy, all five holes touched each other at 8 yards. Crisp, and powerful but recoil wasn't painful.
     
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    My LC9 has had the Galloway Precision trigger mods done and it is much more pleasurable to shoot at the range. Makes it much easier to be more accurate. Action is still longish and not so light that I would hesitate to carry it. I also have the stainless guide rod and heavy recoil spring. I have one of those slip on rubber grips, Pachmeyer I think, that I believe was a bit of help to me for accuracy.

    My go-to powder for 9mm is WSF and I use 4.3 under 124-128gr cast or plated bullets. Works great in this gun.

    Just mentioning as an FYI: The LC9 has such a generous throat I can shoot gas checked NOE 360-160 swc's and Accurate molds 36-160H. My barrel leads horribly, so 2 or 3 gas checks clean it out at the end of a session. Lately I've tried the AM bullet powder coated, which eliminates the leading issue altogether. Now all I "need" is some sights like my P938 has and I'll be a very happy camper!
     
  20. OH_Spartan

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    Just shot 3.4 grn of titewad...much better. Time to make 50 and test its accuracy.
     
  21. ArchAngelCD

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    For the life of me i will never understand why anyone uses such fast powders for loading high pressure cartridges like the 9mm. Also, until recently Hodgdon warned against using Titewad for any handgun loading. I for won would not use Titewad for anything other than shotgun loads. Titegroup is a different story.

    IMO W231/HP-38 is about as fast a powder I would use in the 9mm. I like it in the 9mm especially with lead bullets. For more serious work in the 9mm I like HS-6 and Longshot.
     
  22. Rushthezeppelin

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    Pretty sure the Berry's I used to load in that weight were sitting over 4.4gr of W231 for me. Been a while since I've used them though, now stuck on Bayou Bullets 150gr SWC for 9mm.
     
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