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Aguila strikes again

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by BC17A, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. joneb

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    So pieces of brass left in the barrel for the next round? That can't be a good thing. I'd have the gun checked out by a gun smith.
     
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  2. Riomouse911

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    I’ve noticed that when I shoot it in pistols myself.,, the Super Extra seems to be the worst :barf:.

    I’ve had batches of Winchester White Box 115 gr 9mm fmj that didn’t have a flash hole punched all the way through the web. You want to talk about a total gun tie-up! When fired the case head expanded in the chamber and the primer backed part-way out and forced itself into the firing pin slot on our Glock pistols, sealing the slide to the cartridge case and preventing the slide from operating. The only way to clear of was to drop the mag and punch the front edge of the slide against the wooden 4x4 target supports to break it free. (The wood gave way before the slide or finish was damaged.) We has about 8, maybe 10 of these over the course of a year (Including two in my personal G-34 :fire:) before my admin let me can the entire lot of 16,000 rounds and get replacement ammo.
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    (Sorry about the blurred image, hard to see without zooming in.)

    Stay safe.
     
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  3. BC17A

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    I sent them an email with the pictures and they sent me a claim form to fill out. They seemed very concerned.


    These were in the red/white box lot # 17BJ283A. The black insert was from a box of Magtech.
     
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  4. Ironicaintit

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    wow that's not good.

    my only experience with aguila is in 30 carbine, and it's been great brass for that.
     
  5. BC17A

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    A large portion of my 38 Super brass is Aguila and I've never had a problem with it. I must have reloaded some of it more than a dozen times and it shows no signs of failing yet.
     
  6. mdi

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    I have never seen a pistol case with so many "steps" on the ID. All cases I have sectioned were tapered to the head and smoothly transitioned into the base. Not 3 "steps"...
     
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    Mistakes can happen, how the company responds makes a difference to me.
     
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  8. ArchAngelCD

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    I still don't see and answer to the question I asked back on page one.

    I'm not sure of this, did all the rounds fire? If they did there has to be a primer seat so that the anvil could be pressed into the compound. It would not fire without a seat.
     
  9. blahpony

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    I had some PMC .223 that was blowing out the primers. I filled out a form and sent them ~350 rounds. They sent me back a 500 round case, two hats and a pen and pencil set. And a check to pay me back for shipping the ammo back to them.

    They just may send you free stuff.
     
  10. mdi

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    I too am interested in ArchAngel's question, did they fire? Some in the pic looks unfired, but you mentioned hearing "the anvil hitting the target"...
     
  11. ATLDave

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    It's stuff like this that makes me laugh when non-reloaders claim that "factory ammo is safer and more reliable."
     
  12. Toprudder

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    I’ve shot Aguila ammo in different calibers. So far I have not had a problem with their centerfire ammo, but I’ve had too many QC issues with their 22LR ammo, I won’t be buying any more.
     
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    9 or 10 years ago I bought some Goex 38 Spl ammo.
    I had 2 pcs split on the 1st firing.
    They sent me 2 boxes FOC.

    Please keep us informed.
     
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  14. Carl N. Brown

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    The only centerfire Aguila I have shot much of was .30 Carbine when it was very hard to find ammo in that caliber. I was shooting in vintage military rifle matches. Shot a lot of Aguila .30 Carbine a few years back, saved my brass, and reloaded some (not much, maybe a couple hundred).
    I saw no defects in Aguila .30 Carbine brass like the Aguila .32/7.65 brass BC17A posted.

    BC17A: have you taken any of the casings with flashholes and see if what appears to be a disk containing the flashole can be punched out of the case from the bottom out the mouth? I am tempted to believe they tried some cost-cutting measure in making those cases with the flashholes in a separate disk.
    OR cases intended for blank cartridges with wide open primer pockets ended up in the bulleted cartridge manufacturing line. It is hard to ep[lain the appearance of those things.
     
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  15. BC17A

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    You guessed it Carl. I took one of the good cases and tried to use my press with a punch to see if anything moved, but all it did was collapse the brass. Then I took another and got it cherry red (mapp torch) before trying and a disk popped right out. brass3.jpg
     
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  16. blue32

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    Thanks for the test. Have you reached out to Aguila yet? I'd like to know if this is a manufacturing decision or faulty annealing.

    OP, I hope you don't mind but I emailed Aguila and included the picture containing the sectioned cases. I asked if this is a new manufacturing decision and if so, to strongly consider going back to a solid case head.

    If this is by design, and I really hope its not, this could have the potential to spread to other manufacturers.
     
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  17. BC17A

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    I did, and they sent me a claim form. They said it was forwarded to their quality director for investigation.
     
  18. NoirFan

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    I used to shoot Aguila 38 special back before I started reloading, and never had a problem with it. I still have a bunch of Aguila 38 special cases that reload as well as any other brand. Never seen anything like in OP's picture. The only difference I notice with Aguila brass is that it has the tightest primer pockets of all my headstamps by far.
     
  19. blue32

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    Received this response from Aguila:

    "Good Morning,
    Thank you for contacting us on this matter. We have not changed the way we manufacture our casings. The case on the right appears to have been reloaded several times causing this deformation. Although we appreciate your liking of our casing, we do not recommend reloading our brass.
    If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Hope you have a wonderful day.
    "

    Standard response from a manufacturer but at least they haven't changed manufacturing. Let's hope its a bad batch.
     
  20. BC17A

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    Was this their response from my picture of the good and bad case comparison? If so, I guess their new process needs to be evaluated again because neither has been reloaded. Nevertheless, I won't be buying any more ammo hecho en Mexico.
     
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  21. Reloadron
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    Over the years I have bought and shot plenty of their rimfire stuff which in any of my 22 LR guns has shot real well. Never tried any of their center fire ammunition and likely never will.

    Ron
     
  22. Dudedog
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    Blue32, I think that's kind of a lame response since I think you said some of it (all of it?) was new ammo.
    To bad they didn't make it right.

    I would be tempted to replay nicely and say thanks for that I will make sure I let all my friends and fellow shooters know how you stand behind your product.:evil:
     
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  23. blue32

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    For the record I didn't include info on whether or not it was reloaded. It was the OP's pic and I did mention to Aguila this was someone else's experience. On another note, from what I have read online it would appear their main manufacturing plant is in Cuernavaca, Morelos, Mexico. That plant was set up with help from Remington in the 60s. They also have a location in Conroe TX, though it may just be a distribution facility in conjunction with Texas Armament & Technology. I'm not ready to write them off just yet. I actually prefer their 124 gmj 9mm load and the brass has been great. But I'll definitely be inspecting new Aguila cases more closely.
     
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