I don't junk carry, but, regardless of location, holstered/holstering AD's/ND's are why I have no interest in handguns that lack either a manual safety or a long heavy trigger pull (revolvers). I know some people feel differently, and that's fine, but this video illustrates why I have the preferences that I have.
AIWB gun goes off...
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RecoilRob
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SOMETHING pushed the trigger and made it go BANG. Of course it was an AD with perhaps shades of ND if indeed (as it looks) there was something sticking up into the holster and I never said or implied otherwise. Glocks won't just go off by themselves without something pushing the trigger with at least 3.5lbs of force and most stock guns are more in the 5.5-6lb range if mine are a good example. There was something up inside the holster that was long enough to stick out the bottom from the looks of it and when he bent over that activated the trigger.
milemaker13
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Something in the holster. . Shirt, drawers, drawstring..
Ya know, some glock fanboys get really excited about their guns...
Ya know, some glock fanboys get really excited about their guns...
mdauben
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Actually, operator error would have been my first guess, as I think it is far, far more common that any sort of equipment failure.
JR24
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Lol, with something in the trigger a hk , walther, sig, xd, s&w, or anything without a manual safety would have likely discharged.
Safety/negligence issue, not a gun brand issue.
Agreed. It's a configuration/feature issue. The possibility of events like these is the trade-off for whatever value is offered by omitting a manual safety from a firearm. Of course, several of the brands you listed offer some form of manual safety as at least an option, so users can make their own choice within the brand. Glock seems to have a quasi-religious commitment to not offering manual safeties.
JR24
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True, while I carry primarily Glocks and do occasionally my G26 AIWB and don't believe or want a safety on a Glock trigger, I do understand the limitations and take extra precaution holstering, namely holstering first, then clipping the holster to my belt if I'm doing AIWB.
My preference would be a lighter/shorter travel trigger with a thumb safety, but sadly they don't make one with a) a good enough trigger, b) the thumb safety in my preferred location, c) the right size/weight, d) a reasonable cost, f) greater capacity than a 1911
My ideal is something like the Wilson EDC X9 or if SIG gets around to making a 229 in SAO.
So until then I'll carry Glock and holster carefully, though being extra careful anytime you have a loaded gun and paying attention especially while holstering is not only basic, responsible, gun handling and safety. It's simply common sense.
^ Non-insane post.
BTW, ever looked at an EAA/Tanfoglio polymer compact? http://eaacorp.com/guns/handguns/witness-polymer-compact-tanfoglio-69 Maybe a little thicker than you want?
BTW, ever looked at an EAA/Tanfoglio polymer compact? http://eaacorp.com/guns/handguns/witness-polymer-compact-tanfoglio-69 Maybe a little thicker than you want?
JR24
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I have not seen one in person, but the safety seems to be based on the CZ 75 location, which sadly isn't quite right for me (or the 75 compact would be perfect).
The Bushmaster
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Oh Damn! And I've been carrying a S&W M19 2.5" AIWB for around 15 years. Never a problem. It's called (like every thing else) practice holstering correctly and SLOWLY paying attention to what you and the gun are doing.
The guy in the video holstered fairly slowly and seemed to be paying attention. IDK how many years he had been doing this without a problem.
Of course, it's difficult to image a circumstance in which you would get a DA revolver to go off like this. The distance a Glock trigger has to travel is a fraction of how far your Combat Magnum trigger has to move.
JR24
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If we assume the gun wasn't seated properly and something was in the trigger guard and bending over put the pressure on the rear of the gun and pulled the trigger (fair assumptions feom the video) I think that it seems likely he exerted enough force to pull a DA trigger considering the weight and angle.
CoalTrain49
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OK, Glocks are like every other gun.
Apparently nobody needs a safety, except when they do.
stchman
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Reason I want a CCW gun to have a heavy DAO trigger. My LCP is an internal hammer gun with a really heavy trigger, no way it's going to "accidentally" go off. People keep talking about how awesome they want their trigger on their CCW gun to be. Dumb decision.
CoalTrain49
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That's the beauty of the free market. You are free to blow your junk off with a Glock if you wish.
I'm wondering if that guy in the video will still carry a Glock?
JR24
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Why single out Glock? The issue is the manual safety free striker, no? The Walther PPQ and Sig 320 have lighter feeling triggers, IMO. The UK VP9, Beretta APEX, FNS, M&P (and probably 509), CZ P10c all seem close to me.
Heck the XD is a SAO and his stomach may have been correctly angled to disengage the grip safety.
redneck2
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I’ll preface this by saying that my house gun is a G20. I only pick it up when I think somebody is in my house.
That said, If I’m not competent enough to operate a safety, I’m not competent enough to handle a firearm. Does anybody here own a long gun that doesn’t have a safety?
I didn’t think so
My carry is a Shield with a safety. For the first hundred years or so of semi auto pistols either a very vast majority or all had a safety
That said, If I’m not competent enough to operate a safety, I’m not competent enough to handle a firearm. Does anybody here own a long gun that doesn’t have a safety?
I didn’t think so
My carry is a Shield with a safety. For the first hundred years or so of semi auto pistols either a very vast majority or all had a safety
Fine Figure of a Man
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All ND's are Glocks fault.
JR24
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JR24
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Fair points, but conversely if I am not competent to handle a 5.5 lb trigger with decent travel distance safely, I dont consider myself competent to handle a loaded firearm.
Plus, long guns usually have lighter triggers with less travel and don't reside in holsters protecting the trigger.
If I was slinging a loaded handgun across my back in the field like I do a rifle or shotgun, yeah I'd want a safety for sure.
Fine Figure of a Man
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The video ended abruptly while the guy was digging in his pants and tossing stuff out. For all we know he still is.
Godsgunman
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I AIWB, it's the only position I have ever carried. I used to have a Glock and this scenario has always been in the back of my mind, especially since I work at a trauma center and see the after math of such instances. (The stories I could share) It's all about making sure trigger is protected and no obstructions that can get near it. I mainly carry a DA/SA, but do carry an XD on occasion so I am extra aware when holstering, even with the added grip safety.
The gun fired as he bent over. That suggests that something got caught in the trigger as he holstered which leaving it close enough to firing that bending over finished the job. Another safety, whether grip or thumb, would have prevented this. It's no substitute for careful handling but does provide an extra level of safety when conscientious efforts are insufficient.
JR24
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There is a fair chance bending like that may have engaged a grip safety from my experimentation on my Kimber ultra.
^^^^ I would NEVER carry ANY gun without a manual safety anywhere out a pocket DAO gun.
I carry AIWB, S&W 9MM Shield WITH manual safety engaged...I would NEVER carry AIWB without a manual safety/grip safety...you are JUST asking for it....Call me a "wimp","yellar belly" or whatever. I use manual safeties on all the guns I carry even my pocket .25Auto Taurus. Glocks are great, but they are NOT appendix guns...anything lacking a safety is a BAD idea for concealed carry IMHO. Open carry/police/military/on the farm, fits the Glock/guns lacking manual safeties better if you ask me. I think the issue is with the lack of a manual safety honestly. He probably reholstered and had clothing jam in the holster/trigger guard?
I know manual safeties are not "tacticool" or anything...but I use them. Mag disconnects are garbage, but a good manual safety is a KEY if you ask me. Training, training, training....maybe it is because I dry fire/snap drills with my guns, and find no issue with disengaging AND engaging a safety on a weapon. I do practices where I draw the gun empty, flick safety pointed down range, re-engage, reholster. Do this SLOW, and forever. I do about a few hours a week. I find,breaking down my draw into sections, it is easier to master and then flow. Just my limited expeirience.
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