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  1. A_Matthew

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    One of my friends dad said (in total seriousness) that if he didn't own a un-papered gun, he would spend anywhere up to $2,500 to get one. Fortunately, I don't have to spend that much. Also, my dad agrees with me as well. And what about the Clinton Semi-auto Gun Ban back in the '90s? I don't know if they did any actual "gun seizures", but I don't mind going a little out of my way just for a little insurance.

    My dad is also totally for building one, because it makes a nice project.

    Yep, that makes sense, now the you put it in that light. What I thought you were originally talking about was the 1/4" of pre-bent metal at the top of the receiver. Guess I'll re-look at my options. Thanks, Matthew
     
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    /facepalm :banghead:
     
  3. Aaron Baker

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    Well you can't be expected to remember the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, because you weren't born yet. (And get your facts straight: it wasn't a ban on semi-autos.) But do a little research instead of just buying into the paranoia of everyone else.

    First, though, you need to understand that there were NO gun seizures in 1994. The law was pretty pathetic, actually. Stripping "evil features" like flash suppressors and bayonet lugs from new AR15s got around the ban. It really wasn't so bad. (But of course it wasn't good, either.)

    You need to put history into context in order to understand that you don't NEED insurance, no matter how out of the way it is. First, the 1994 AWB was political suicide for a lot of the people that voted for it. They understood after the next round of elections that people weren't happy about it. It sunset, meaning it is no longer the law. The fact that it wasn't renewed says a lot.

    It's been 7 years since the law sunset, and there has not been any serious risk of a new AWB passing. There's also the little fact that back in 1994, before you were born, the internet wasn't such a big thing. That's probably hard for you to understand, but some of us grew up without internet. Now that there's such a great way to communicate with everyone across the country, it's much easier to organize resistance against bad laws like the AWB. Harder to sneak new legislation past the voters.

    And everyone and his brother now own AR15s, AK47s and other "assault weapons." There's been a huge explosion in interest in these guns. Taking them away from people now would mean a whole lot more people than it used to.

    There just isn't the political will in this country to disarm Americans. Too many people just wouldn't let it happen.

    I'm not criticizing your plans, though. You should definitely build your own semi-auto AK47. It's a great learning experience, and a wonderful hobby. Go for it.

    Aaron
     
  4. A_Matthew

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    ^^^
    Never thought about it like that before. (And sorry about the slip with the Semi-Auto Gun Ban. I stand corrected.:)) Am I correct on saying that it also banned mags over 10rds? (A law California decided to keep.) That sure would ruin a lot of fun... :D

    I'm still going for a kit build, I think it'll come out cheaper in the long run. Also, how high-quality is a Romanian parts kit? They're the only kits I can find that include either the original barrel, or a pre-headspaced American made barrel. Matthew
     
  5. nalioth

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    More fun? Yep! More educational? Check. Cheaper? Not any more.

    I just responded to a similar question here on THR yesterday.
     
  6. A_Matthew

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    Parts kit........................................................$285
    Receiver flat..................................................$25
    922r compliant parts.......................................$48
    Estimated shipping.......................................~$50
    Other accessories, such as screws for build......~$20

    Total............................................................$428

    (Did I miss anything?)

    Me and a friend will be assembling a couple of AKs together, and he happens to have a break, drillpress, TIG welder, and all the other tools we might need.

    So, if the above calculated price is near the actual price, I'm ending up with a home-built custom AK-47 that is only about $20 more than the cheapest WASR-10 that I know of. (And after reading countless reviews about the WASR-10 that didn't sound very good, I doubt that I would buy one of those. A saiga would cost $400, compliance parts, $50-100; shipping, [and FFL transfer] ~$60-80; and now you're way over the price of the kit, and also out of my price range.) But if you do happen to know of a high quality AK for the same price of building one, let me know.

    Thanks for the link. Some good info.

    Matthew
     
  7. nalioth

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    Your Saiga dealer is gouging you. The price should be a lot closer to $300.

    Regardless, with a Saiga, you're getting a brand new AK with milspec parts (many right off the AK parts manufacturing line). You won't have any control over where your kit comes from, and how hard it's been used before it was cut up for parts.
     
  8. A_Matthew

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    You can get a Saiga for close to $300?:eek: Do you have a link handy? I've got to see this!

    Matthew
     
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    Aren't FFLs allowed to throw away the 4473 after a certain time like 10 years or something?:confused:
     
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    It is 20 years. If the shop goes out of business prior to then, the records must be boxed up and sent to the ATF.
     
  11. nalioth

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    The bound book is not thrown away.
     
  12. nalioth

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    Saigas are very volatile in price. They're imported once or twice a year, and when they're were last fresh off the boat, you've been able to find Saigas in military calibers for around $325 just about anywhere, and if you did some sleuthing, $299.

    Patience is a virtue (and it'll bring you a better rifle).
     
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    .223 and x39 Saigas are everywhere for sub-$350. It should still cost under $500 and three hours with a dremel to have a converted Saiga.

    Also, his dad can buy the gun with any kind of money he wants, technically, so long as it is money he is putting down in his name (cash or from his own bank account, etc.). Then his son can pay him back. Not so much a straw purchase as it is just a weird grey area with personal arrangements between family members involved.

    The real problem though is what Idaho law says on possession of an assault weapon by someone who is under 18. Many states do not allow that unless under explicit conditions of supervision.

    Either way, the gun would not be able to be 'yours' until you are 18 or older.

    And as for the 'un-papered' nonsense, it is just that: nonsense. There is always a trail to and from who a gun is sold to and bought by. If crap really did hit the fan and they were actually mobilizing an inquisition against gun owners, rest assured that there are many equally obvious ways to find out you owned a gun.
     
  14. A_Matthew

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    "My gun" is an expression used around my house that is used for a gun that my dad purchased, and I somehow paid him back for. So technically it's his gun, but I paid for it, (without making it a straw-man purchase) and we thereby call it my gun, but I guess I shouldn't make a habit of it in public, or my intentions might be misunderstood.

    I'm sure there are some die-hards out there that have guns nobody knows about, and no way to find out about...:uhoh:

    But all you guys have changed my opinion a little bit about the 'un-papered' thing. I don't think it is quite as important as I once thought it was, but when you can achieve the 'un-papered' status for only a little more time and effort, why not go for it?

    Matthew
     
  15. nalioth

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    Unless your friend with the tools has produced thousands of receivers from flats and is sure he can make them 100% functional, do you think you know more than the best engineers of the Soviet Union?

    Bending an AK receiver from a flat and ending up with a functional gun can involve more than one flat, and a heckuvalot of time and hair-pulling.

    It's not as easy as it seems.
     
  16. A_Matthew

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    My friend has never built a AK from a parts kit. Also, if I recall correctly, I recently watched a video of a poor Russian peasant building an AK in a 5'x5' hut, and he didn't look like any engineer I've ever seen.:) But he probably did have a bit more experience than I do...

    And yes, I will be ordering a couple of flats. I'm most likely going to be using the improvised flat bender that I posted the link to earlier in this thread, but in case you don't know what I mean, I'll re-post it.

    http://www.newsbleed.com/grasshoppers_jig.php

    Looks pretty straight forward to me.

    Matthew
     
  17. nalioth

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    Bending the flat is the easy part. . .

    As far as the peasants in huts, they have factory receivers to work with . . .
     
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    So if bending it is easy, what's the hard part? If the holes are off, my friend uses his TIG welder to fill in the hole, then uses his drill press to re-drill the hole. (Check) He's also a really good knife builder, and has tempering steel down to an art. (Check) He also has all the grinders, vices, etc, (and I wouldn't be surprised if he even had a hydraulic press!) so we have all the equipment we would need to fix any mis-bends, and so on and so forth... (Check)

    Matthew
     
  19. Sam1911

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    Matthew,

    Well, there's also alignment and warping issues that may crop up. Your product is probably not going to come out looking like a factory job, either, though that may depend on how much effort you're willing to put into it.

    Sounds like you're pretty well set up. You may run into snags, but it looks like you're aware of them at this point. You may botch a flat or even ruin a part, but you will probably succeed in the end if you stick with it.

    The first AK I owned (might have been the first or second I'd ever shot) I built on a factory receiver in my garage with a hammer. It still works.

    The second I built on a bent flat. Almost. I didn't like the home-built appearance and stripped it back down. It is now my favorite carbine, largely thanks to the NODAKSPUD receiver. So, that is always an option. If you can put one together, you can strip one back down and start over on a factory receiver shell and end up with a great gun after all!

    Good luck!
     
  20. A_Matthew

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    Okay, I'll be sure to watch out for those problems. Also, I'm not too worried about how it looks, what I'm really after is functionality. After you get that nailed down, then you worry about fit and finish.:)

    There are always a few 'Murphys' hanging around. Hopefully, I'll be ready for them.:evil:

    I just looked at the Nodakspud receivers, and they look really good. One problem. The '47 receivers start at $85 and work up from there. Another $20 for FFL transfer, and for that price, you could buy about 4-5 flats, and with that number, you're bound to get it right.:) But I'll keep it in mind...

    Thanks! From the way you fellows talk about building an AK from a parts kit, I'm going to need it!;)

    Matthew

    P.S. What is the functionality difference between a Tapco single hook trigger, and a double hook trigger?
     
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    No functional difference whatsoever in a semi-auto AK.
     
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    Exactly so. A procedural difference, in that you have to cut a second slot in the receiver for the leg of the left hook, but no functional difference. I use single-hooks.
     
  23. nalioth

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    That's the easy way out. You can also sculpt the second trigger leg so that it acts as an overtravel stop.
     
  24. Sam1911

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    Oooh! Never thought of that. Cool.
     
  25. A_Matthew

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    Well, I ordered the flats and 922r compliant parts today. Once we get the flats bent, all I have to do is order the parts kit. Hopefully, I'll be able to post some pics of the finished gun within the next couple of weeks! And if this turns out well, the next challenge on my list will be a Saiga...

    Matthew
     
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