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(AK) drunken villager with shotgun threatens unarmed Village safety officer

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by spacemanspiff, Jan 24, 2004.

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  1. spacemanspiff

    spacemanspiff Senior Member

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    http://www.adn.com/alaska/story/4663181p-4618251c.html

    Last week in Kotlik, a drunken man pointed a 20-gauge shotgun at 40-year-old Rudy Hootch and threatened to kill him, Alaska State Troopers said.

    It was a first for Hootch, one of the village's police officers. It was Jan. 17 and Hootch was responding to a domestic violence call.

    "He pulled that thing on me with no warning," Hootch recalled in a telephone interview from his home Friday. "I was scared. I didn't know what would happen. (I thought) I may be alive or in the hospital or in a coffin."

    Like many village peace officers in rural Alaska, Hootch does not carry a firearm. "Only thing we carry is cuffs and a baton," he said.

    Nor did he have much training to deal with the situation he found himself in. "We sure would like to have a training for this type of thing," he said. "But every time we go for a training it's always being canceled or something."

    Hootch said he handled the situation the best he knew how. "I just tried to stay calm and ask him what he's doing with that shotgun," he said. "I tried to confront him twice to put the weapon down but he didn't."

    Hootch backed off the property and called troopers in St. Marys. Troopers arrived about two hours later and arrested Darrick Teeluk, 19, after a short foot chase. Troopers say Teeluk struck his pregnant girlfriend in the face and also tried to strangle her with his hands. The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said.

    Teeluk was charged with third-degree assault, fourth-degree misconduct involving weapons, fourth-degree domestic violence assault and minor consuming alcohol. He was transported to a jail in Bethel with his bail set at $10,000.

    Hootch, who started working as a village police officer about five months ago after holding the post off and on over the years, said the job can be difficult, both because of the situations you can find yourself in and because you often know the people involved and sometimes they get mad at you, especially if they're drinking, he said. Kotlik has about 600 people.

    Hootch said he likes to be able to help his community but hopes to get some more training soon. He did not express plans to find another line of work, despite the scare last week.

    "It's the only job I can find," he said.
     
  2. WonderNine

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    There's too much idiocy going on with ALL of the people mentioned in this article that I don't even know where to begin...:uhoh:
     
  3. Carlos

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    Then Don't. :rolleyes:

    Absolutely unbelievable that an officer up in "ALASKA OF ALL PLACES" would not be armed while on patrol.
     
  4. WonderNine

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    Ok.
     
  5. TechBrute

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    Who pissed in your cornflakes, anyway?
     
  6. Carlos

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    Apologies, just my before-coffee, non-morning person syndrome kicking in to answer a non-answer or non-opinion.

    The thing that pisses me off is the fact of officers not carrying the tools they need to protect their lives and the lives of the citizenry.
     
  7. jsalcedo

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    The thing that gets me is unlicensed open carry is ok in Alaska
    so why the heck is a law officer unarmed?

    Is he a felon? Can't afford a gun? Thinks he is in Mayberry?
     
  8. TechBrute

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    Ok, that was funny. I think that's the issue, although I couldn't have put it as well as you did. :D
     
  9. Standing Wolf

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    I think that might be a clue. Too bad I'm not a big city detective.
     
  10. Mark Tyson

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    This might surprise you, but Andy and Barney had a whole rack of guns in the station.

    So he's a village police officer ... I'm assuming that that's a regular, uniformed peace officer with powers of arrest and everything. I can't believe he's unarmed.
     
  11. WonderNine

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    Hehe, I can't remember did Barney carry an unloaded revolver or was it no gun at all?
     
  12. Stinkyshoe

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    I believe it was an unloaded revolver with one bullet in the left front shirt pocket. :D


    I cannot understand why this police officer wouldn't atleast be carrying a gun for protection against four legged critters. I guess that's his choice, but maybe he will wake up now.
     
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    Here's a news flash for ya Sparky... and you can quote me on this...

    Being dead ain't a job, it's a career!
     
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    TBO,

    Have you been reincarnated?



    Never bring a baton to a gunfight
     
  15. Kodiak AK

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    He isn't carrying because as far as I know they are not alowed to .
    When I looked into the job that was one of the deal breakers for me .
    They also can not perform an arrest except as a citizen arrest which is fround upon . Basicly what they do is detain sometimes , but usually it is just call the troopers and wait for them to fly in and do something about it .
     
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    Based on the above what the heck is the point of even having a "Village Policeman"? If they're being paid seems pretty much like a waste of tax dollars to me - afterall they can't do anything a regular citizen can do and the citizen can at least do it while armed...
     
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    Many Native communities (Athabaskan and Eskimo) forbid the police that patrol the community from carrying firearms.
     
  18. Gabby Hayes

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    Isn't Bethel where Pat (aka 355sigfan) lives? Maybe he'll stop by and give us the scoop on exactly what the duties of a "village police officer" entail.
     
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    Anyone else find this funny?
     
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    http://www.avcp.org/services/VPSO.html

    Law Enforcement Patrol on foot and enforce state laws and local ordinances.
    Investigate misdemeanor crimes and traffic violations.
    Assist Troopers during felony investigations.
    Complete required Police Reports. Transport Prisoners.
    Use crime prevention techniques.
    Fire Protection and Prevention Maintain fire equipment. Conduct fire drills in schools. Conduct fire department meetings.
    Train volunteer fire fighters in fire fighting techniques.
    Conduct fire-prevention surveys.
    Search and Rescue (SAR) . Organize a search and rescue team or act as liaison for the Department of Public Safety (DPS in the community.
    Train SAR team members
    Maintain a list of available SAR equipment and supplies on hand.
    Direct SAR's by coordination with the Alaska State Troopers.
    General Public Safety Assist community health aides in emergency medical situations.
    Provide public safety information to schools and the public.
    Provide dog control and vaccinate for rabies when trained to do so.
    Water and snowmachine safety.

    Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE)

    Coordinate with the school and teach a seventeen (17) week program to 5th and 6th grade. Teach 7th and 8th grade; Teach High School; Teach and train Parents.

    In the latter part of Fiscal Year 2001, AVCP, Inc. and eight other native non-profits entered into an agreement through the Department of Public Safety, Division of Alaska State Troopers, with the Department of Corrections (DOC), for VPSO's to perform Probation and Parole Supervision Duties.

    Through the Department of Corrections grant, VPSO's began performing Probation and Parole Supervision duties. Probation and Parole Supervision duties they previously performed without training, equipment, or compensation. These duties now include:

    Probation and Parole Supervision Make personal contact with the offender at least twice per month or as requested. Obtain urine samples from offenders using the UA (Urinalysis) test cups, record the results, immediately provide results to the District Probation Office telephonically, and preserve the results for additional testing if requested.

    Immediately report violations of conditions of Probation/Parole to the Supervisor of the Bethel Probation Office.

    Document contact with Probation/Parolees. Provide updated photos of Sex Offender's to the District Probation Officers on an annual Basis, or a physical change in the offender's appearance.
     
  21. Cosmoline

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    In the bush, what we would consider law enforcement is often carried out the old fashioned way, with no involvement of LEO's. VPSO's are just there to give the image of LEO's. They aren't trained or supervised sufficiently to allow them to be armed officers.

    See, there's a big difference between the state arming a person and a person arming himself. It's the state's way of saying this person can kill on our behalf. That's very different from me or some other schmo carrying a firearm. No state has given me a badge. I don't get to arrest anyone.

    Frankly the longer I live in Alaska the more I question the need for any LEO's. I'd rather do things myself. All the officers do is give out enormous tickets to fund local government. If you actually have a life-or-death emergency, expect them to show up in a few hours if at all.
     
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    Guys there are more to this than you know. There are several types of law enforcement officers in Alaska. First there is the State Troopers and municipal officers. I lump them together because they are certified officers who have been to an academy and though a FTO program.

    After that you have VPSO's these are officers trained by the Troopers in a separate VPSO academy. They have some hiring standards but not many. They are not armed.

    The last type of law enforcement is Village Police Officers and Tribal Police Officers. Before I explain this last group let me give some background. In Alaska police can work up to 1 year without being certified. Village Police Officers use this exemption. They are not trained, some are criminals themselves. They simple took a $10 an hour job because their community needed them or they need the money. There are very few jobs available in the village.

    To be quite honest I would not want 99% of the VPO's armed and I would only trust about 20% of the VPSO's with firearms. These places deserve armed law enforcement but not at the cost of reduced standards. It’s sad but I have arrested my share of VPO's and VPSO's because they came to town got drunk and did something stupid. The level of professionalism is simply not there.

    Now there are a few who are civic minded and honestly took the job because they care about the place they live in. This group like the rest of them is asked to do a job with no training that is often dangerous.

    What needs to happen is the State needs to hire more Troopers and re apportion the ones it has so the rural areas receive more coverage. The problem is no one wants to live in a village. Heck I don't blame them I don't even like to work case overnight in one. The lacks of running water and of things to occupy yourself when you’re not working are big drawbacks. Villages are very much like Reservations down south.

    SNIPFrankly the longer I live in Alaska the more I question the need for any LEO's. I'd rather do things myself. All the officers do is give out enormous tickets to fund local government.
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    I take offense to that. We give out tickets because you broke the law. If you don't want to fund local goverment this way stop breaking the law its simple. And I would hate to live in a world where people were allowed to solve their own legal matters. Thats called anarchy. In such a world only the strong not the rightious survive. Judging from your post I have to ask do you live in Big Lake or North Pole? The reason I ask is I have met several people from those areas with simular views.

    Pat
     
  23. Binkus

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    Thats a suprise to me, growing up in Alaska with my dad a state trooper from there (now retired) I was shocked to hear that he was unarmed. The only thing I could emagine was that its just some sort of neighborhood watch program with nor real concetion to law enforcement. Definatly not I job I would take if I couldnt cary, espically up in some of those ereas.
     
  24. Binkus

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    Thanks for the insight 355 its been several years since I left Alaska (lived there in my child hood) my dad ended up retireing as a state troopers, the majorty of his work that I rember was on the fish and wildlife side though. He got some interesting stories working the natives, poaching and ocoashinal bear problems. Hopefully I can get back up there for some hunting in the next couple of years.
     
  25. Wildalaska

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    What 355 said...

    WilddifferentworldhereAlaska
     
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