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AK - Lower High End

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by cbrgator, Sep 1, 2008.

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  1. cbrgator

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    What are some of the better AK's in the 4-500 hundred range. I don't want to go as cheap as a WASR and I don't want to convert a Saiga. So which are the best clones that are a step above WASR's but not quite the best of the best? Is my price range accurate for that level of quality?

    I just got an AR a couple months ago but after that blatant threat at the DNC its time for a Kalashnikov too.
     
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    Anybody familiar with the preconverted Saiga's from Atlantic?
     
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    Just bought a Lancaster AK from Atlantic Firearms a month ago. Great service from Atlantic, and the gun is even better.

    Very well put together. Sweet shooter. Accurate as I can shoot. Cost was $600, but worth it. 500+ rounds through it with no even a single hiccup.

    Love my purchase.
     
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    Ive got a yugo m70. cost about 450 a year ago, really nice.
     
  7. nalioth

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    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=368293

    A guy came onto the Saiga-12 forum a few weeks ago, after buying a preconverted Saiga.

    His bullet guide had been GLUED in and had fallen out, jamming his gun.

    IMHO, you can do a lot better converting your own Saiga, than paying good money for these corner-cutting slipshod jobs. . . .
     
  8. cbrgator

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    Yes, that's why I was looking more into the clones and away from the Saiga's. I definitely want a full stock, not a folder, and I would prefer wood, but that's not a requirement. What is my best bet?
     
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    $125, 45 minutes in your garage, and you'll have a converted Saiga. They are very easy to convert.
     
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    If after my research that is my best bet, I'll do it, but I'd rather not. Any suggestions that fall under my preferences?
     
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    All of the above are great, short of the preslipshod Saigas. . .

    If you can eyeball a Bulgarian SSR-85 (take it down all the way and check for rust and other signs of crap) before you buy it, I imagine those'd be alright.

    Personally, if you can get a WASR locally and make sure it's not canted up, it'd be your best option ( nothing wrong with them except their aesthetics ).
     
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    I'm personaly quite satisfied with my WASR-10. Had a few minor details to work out, such as a rear sight notch that was too skinny and off center, and wood that had zero finish.

    A thin file and linseed oil made it as good as any other AK. Just as ugly for sure as an $800 AK!
     
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    Was going to suggest Vector but a check of their page indicates they have a long waiting list.
     
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    I'm still stuck between ordering a WASR and buying a Saiga and converting it. I'd like to make up my mind today and have the order out and ready to go sometime tomorrow. I'm really more concerned about quality and performance than aesthetics at this point. I'm certainly not expecting an AK pattern rifle to compete with my better bolt guns in the accuracy department, but I'd at least like something significantly more accurate and usable than my other blasting carbine (a minute-of-barn M44).

    I thought I had pretty much decided to go with the Saiga until I found out that my roommate's electric drill was dead...
     
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    I've heard this, too (and I made a comment to this effect in another thread). I'm pretty confident that somebody who takes care in their work can do better than somebody who does it assembly-line style (even if it's a first time DIY thing), considering that it doesn't appear to require a particularly high degree of skill.

    Still, I figured I'd throw the option out there.
     
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    There's not a very high number of ak's around here so I was planning on buying online (so stripping one down is kinda impossible). So I'm looking for something new that I can be comfortable buying online.
     
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    I'd look for a yugo, they've had a great fit and finish the last couple years. I wouldn't be afraid of a wasr-10 either. Again, the last year or so of these has been much better than their reputation. I would not buy a pre-converted saiga and be sure you are mechanically agile enough to do the conversion yourself before stepping into this. (It isn't too tough but I know people that call electricians to change their lightbulbs...)
     
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    "New" doesn't mean much if it's newly put together from old parts by corner-cutting minimum wage earners. . .

    Arsenal has even shipped some "new" lemons themselves. . .




    You guys are missing out on one LARGE point: There is absolutely nothing wrong with a factory Saiga. Most folks convert them

    a) because it's giving the finger to the revenuers

    b) because they own other standard Kalashnikovs, and the factory Saiga just feels "wrong" to them...
     
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    Have you considered a parts kit? I had a Bulgarian 74 kit and I sent it to Elk Ridge formally Armory USA. They built it with one of thier receivers. The whole thing ran me less than 4 bills. I could have built it myself but I did not have the tools here. They do great work. My kit was a virgin kit.
     
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    I want a new new rifle. Not newly built with old parts. Is this difficult to get? How about the Yugo M72 from Classic Arms for 530? They appear to be totally new and within my price range.
     
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    If you want an all new rifle, you don't have many choices.

    Arsenal

    Saiga

    WASR

    All others are built from cut up rifles of unknown provenance (no matter what they tell you).

    Appearance? A bead blast and park and paint will cover up quite a bit. Paint is the shady used car salesman's best friend for a reason.
     
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    the yugo on classic arms reads "ALL OF THESE RIFLES ARE STILL SEALED IN THE FACTORY BOXES WITH THEIR ACCESSORIES." They are basically lying?
     
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    Yugoslavian under folders are great for what you probably want. I didn't much care for my WASR (first AK, didn't want to go all out until I knew what I wanted). Sold the WASR and got a Yugo under folder and it was much more solid and accurate for about $500. Wish I hadn't sold it.:rolleyes: When I go to buy another AK, it will be another Yugo due to the price being dead on for the quality.
     
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    Those Yugo M-72s are made here in the USA out of cut up Yugoslavian RPKs, some US made parts (to include a receiver) and nicely refinished. The American company that builds these has pretty boxes for it's 'factory guns'.

    Believe me, if it were an actual totally-made-in-Yugoslavia RPK, it would not be selling for that price.
     
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    Any idea of what kind of quality they are?
     
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