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AK project advice

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by why.kyle, Dec 24, 2011.

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  1. why.kyle

    why.kyle Member

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    So i got a century arms ak74 that wasnt really a good buy, its in rough shape (as far as rust) Ive decied it cant get the money out of selling it with the condition its in so Im going to fix it up a little and get some use out of it. The MOST I would ever do with it is experiment with 3 gun (till I get an AR) or take a carbine class for fun. the least is a rifle I can take with me when wherever I need to out to 100 yards, ala truck gun, and general plinking fun and tacticool look.

    It has a a dragnov/thumb hole style stock on it that is not fitting me well.. the grip is way to thick, and I have normal sized hands. So im looking a putting a new stock/hand guards on it.

    I like the idea of a folding stock for storage though am not sold one way or the other. Tapco is cheap.. but its cheap for a reason.

    Im going to be putting some kind of modified safety that has the extended finger tab and bolt hold open slot.

    Im not a huge fan of the AK sight system, so Ive been looking at red dots. Ive heard about primary arms here on THR and been looking into their stuff.
    They have a sale on their MI hand guard mount with a PA mico dot
    https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Micro_Dot_Midwest_Industries_Han_p/md06_mibundle.htm
    Or im looking at the mount that replaces the rear sight
    https://www.primaryarms.com/PA_Micro_Dot_Midwest_Industries_MDM_Bundle_p/md06-fslash-mdmbundle.htm
    From what I read the hand guard mount is more secure stable. but its farther forward which having no experience with red dots I dont know what the difference of having it closer or farther makes.

    So the questions I have:

    What would you recommend for a folding stock?
    Is the Primary Arms the best deal on a inexpensive, but durable red dot? (Eotech/aimpoint are out of the budget)
    MI hand guard for mounting or use the mount that replaces the rear sight.
    Your favorite AK-74 mags?
    Your favorite aftermarket safety lever with the BHO slot and finger tab?
    Your favorite grip for the 74?

    What mods do you think make the AK a better, more controllable/ergonomic rifle?
    So THR, spend my money for me.
     
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  2. Strykervet

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    Funny, I got a Century, pretty sure it was a Century import or whatever, Romanian AK74 back in the late '90's for $250. It worked pretty well, and I brought it up here recently to illustrate the point that Century Arms is like flipping a coin. Had you bought the one next to it, you might have gotten a phenomenal rifle.

    I'm not an AK guy, but I liked 'em way back when. The E. German side folding stock was pretty nice, it was solid and well built. Nicest AK folder I've used. I got mine for $20 ten or so years ago, now I think they go for more. I used Russian bakelite mags I think. They were slick and tough, I think they were better built than many of the modern plastic mags you get today. I had an oak grip on it that was longer than the regular AK grips made for 13 year old child soldiers. For the price, it is hard to beat the military optics that fit the side mounts. They made an open collimator sight for it, but I haven't seen one in a long time. FWIW, some of the RPG sights fit too and some have a "useful" reticle on a rifle, kind of like inverted chevron if I can recall right.

    If this rifle is a beater, I wouldn't put too much into it. I just sold a HUGE box of AK74 stuff, everything you needed and more, for around $300 recently. Be patient and watch local forums in the for sale sections and you'll find most of this stuff for a lot less than you will online and at gunshows.

    AK's are real popular with younger folks and newbies. As such, that market tends to sell more high price low quality junk, and good stuff is hard to find (and some of these folks wouldn't know if a quality AK bit them in the neck --I had folks go to the mat on here saying a stamped AK is superior to a milled SLR95. Whatever.). Young folks and newbies are ripe pickings for greedy dirtbags hellbent on the buck. One of the reasons I don't mess with them anymore; ever try to have an open minded discussion with AK afficionados online? Or find parts not marked up nearly 1000%?
     
  3. Cecil Sharps

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    where are you having rust develop?
     
  4. why.kyle

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    I bought it used and didnt know what I was looking for, thats what I get for impulse buying, there is a little in the chamber and barrel, gas tube seems to be fine but I need to clean it better, and a little in the gas block and the flash hider/muzzle brake is currently rusted on. Its going to be a joy trying to get it so it wont be any worse. Though all the rust is internal.
     
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    do you have a rail on the receiver if you do might just buy the mount for it.
     
  6. Sam1911

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    The rust is almost certainly due to not washing it out after using corrosive ammo. Once you get it scrubbed out, don't make that mistake again. Shoot all the corrosive ammo you want, but wash the thing out with a quick splash of hot water before you clean it to make sure you've removed the corrosive salts.

    Anything that isn't Tapco, and isn't the Tantal or East German style wire folder. If you're buying it primarily to store it somewhere, they work well. If you want to shoot it, they aren't so good. (Bad cheek weld. Uncomfortable for prolonged shooting.)

    The triangle side-folder as came on the AKS-74 is really quite nice -- proper elevation, and pretty comfortable against your cheek, especially with a simple cord wrap. And they're light and compact.

    There are some kits available to add an AKS-74 style folder (triangle, left-side folder) stock to a standard AKM stamped gun. Here is one: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16737&cat=251&page=1

    (If you want to do it "right," here is the stock w/ rear trunion and all the bits and pieces. http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30258 That is quite a bit of work to modify the reciever to fit it, though, especially adding the catch to secure it folded next to the forward trunion.)

    Any surplus mags. Doesn't matter who's.

    There's nothing to this. Not sure why I'd pick one over the other. You can make your own BHO cut with a hacksaw and file, if you really want one. The finger tab versions are interesting. Some find them useful, some don't.

    Anything US made that duplicates the original profile. I don't care for the hollow plastic Tapco "SAW" grip, though it isn't uncomfortable. Just cheap feeling.

    Really, with no irony or snark, PRACTICE. They won't ever reach the pinnacle of ergonomics that an AR can with all the lego parts you can snap on ARs, collapsible stocks, etc. But they also aren't nearly as poor to use as folks sometimes think. Practice your tac-reloads (use the incoming mag to trip the release lever) and spend some time really running the gun. You'll surprise yourself!

    Here you go! http://tinyurl.com/366qjm5
     
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  7. Girodin

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    I don't know that a stamped is superior but I am yet to hear anyone establish any true practical advantage to a milled receiver that justifies is weight and cost penalties, but we digress.
     
  8. Sam1911

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    You feel there is something better than the original AK-74 muzzle device? (Not US copies, of course, but the original?)
     
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    Unless you need the folding stock because you need the ability to store it in a smaller space, I would stick with a fixed stock. An AK is a fairly short rifle any way and really take up very little room.

    I have no real opinion on optical sights as I don't use them, but I would think that, as with all things, you will generally get what you pay for. No sight will work if the mounting system allows it to move around.

    I recently changed a Zastava (Yugo M70) from the stock configuration to something that I like much better. Good luck with your project

    Zastava as delivered:
    PAP1-L.jpg

    After working on it a bit:

    IMG0718-L.jpg
     
  11. northark147

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    Highpower, the after version makes me want an AK and I'm not an AK guy... lol As for a decent Red Dot without the Aimpoint Price, I vote for the Lucid HD7 http://www.mylucidgear.com/reddot.php

    If you shop around they are sold for less than 200 some places. I actually prefer mine to my Aimpoint.
     
  12. Girodin

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    Let's break that down further.

    Something better in terms of flash suppression? Yes without any doubt. The 74 brake produces a lot of flash.

    Something better in terms of recoil/muzzle rise reduction? Yes I believe there are better brakes that can be put on.

    Something better in terms of balancing reduced muzzle flash with reduced muzzle rise? Yes I believe there are better options. An FSC for example.
     
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