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Ak47 bullet hollow point.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by DWTL4EVER, Apr 23, 2007.

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  1. DWTL4EVER

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    "Inexpensive imported 7.62x39mm ammunition is also widely available, though much of it is of the non-expanding type that may be illegal to use for hunting in some US states. However, both some imported Russian ammunition like Wolf brand and American civilian manufacturers which produce both hollow-point and soft-point rounds, are suitable and legal for hunting."

    How effective is the hollowpoint 7.62x39mm for hunting big game?

    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...=0350101&cm_ite=0022899215188a&_requestid=787
     
  2. Mike U.

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    Wolf hollowpoints have spotty mushrooming from what I've read and the same case with their soft points.

    Best to stick with the big name ammo makers for 7.62x39 hunting ammo. Deer sized game is usually the largest game recommended for this cartridge.
     
  3. DWTL4EVER

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    big name ammo makers?
     
  4. Mike U.

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    Hornady, Winchester, Federal and Remington just to name a few.
     
  5. Dr.Rob

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    Soft points are designed for hunting, MANY hollowpoints in this caliber (like those from Wolf) are not 'expanding' bullets in the traditional sense, rather the 'hollowpoint' is a result of a manufacturing process which leaves a small air cavity in the nose.
     
  6. DWTL4EVER

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    Well call me crazy but I was thinking about going hunting with my ak-47.

    Is there some kind of info/chart/pics of soft point vs hollow point 7.62?
     
  7. doubleg

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    Last time I shot an ak was with wolf ammo. Well anyways I was trying to cut this tree down by shooting at it and when I was done I dug some of the bullets out of the wood. The FMJ and Hollow Points did pretty much the same thing. They just got pressed down on the sides there was no expansion at all.
     
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    Well, I don't know if wood is a good indicator of performance in flesh. :) Soft points are designed for hunting. I see them advertised quite a bit and at gun shows.
     
  9. DWTL4EVER

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    So soft point is better than hollow point for hunting eh? I don't want to use this term but soft point has more "stopping power", Am i correct?
     
  10. benEzra

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    For hunting with 7.62x39mm, I'd recommend the 150- to 154-grain softpoints. Brown Bear (Russian brand) makes some, as does Wolf and Cor-Bon.

    The caliber is actually a decent short-range deer cartridge (Ruger makes the Mini Thirty in that caliber and advertises it as a short-range deer rifle), but it lacks the power to humanely kill a deer beyond 125 yards or so. Keep the shots at 100 yards or less, and it should be fine.
     
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    Make sure you check your local laws about legality of hunting with an AK. if it's okay, you'll likely need to get a 5 round magazine for your AK.
    Wildlife officers tend to frown on folks hunting deer with a 30 round mag in their rifles. ;)
     
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    HP's... arn't.

    the SP's are good though.

    THere are 5 round mags avalable... use them to avoid legal troubles.
     
  13. DWTL4EVER

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    How good is the SP at taking down a deer? What are the vital parts to aim for?


    P.S (Imagine hunting with full auto LOL)
     
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    Aim near the front of its torso right along its front legs. This where the heart and other vitals are located. Soft point is good for taking deer but more important is your accuracy. If you have good shot placement a HP will work as good as a Soft Point.
     
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    123 grain HP's are not for hunting, as noted. They're not really designed to expand. The 123 grain SP's are OK, but on the light side. I'd go with the 150 grain Cor-Bons. They're the hottest factory ammo available for the 7.62x39 and are at the maximum range of what handloading can do as well. For woods ranges inside 125 yards they should be fine for deer.
     
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    ya thats them but OUCH!!! $28.83 for 20 rounds of 7.62x39?!?! Thats crazy .. Here is soft points for a lil over $3 a box...

    http://cheaperthandirt.com/AMM647-56007-257.html

    An AK will drop a deer or hog pretty easily .. I have taken quite a few with my SKS .. Same round ..
     
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    There's nothing wrong with hunting with the 7.62x39. In fact it's a fine round for game within reasonable limits. The steel jacketed soft points don't always expand either though. Often the lead tip just mushrooms over and breaks off. It's worth spending a few extra bucks for high quality ammo if you're only going to use a few rounds for hunting.
     
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    The heavy end of 7.62x39 rounds and light end of 30-30 rounds converge in the 140 to 150 grain range. Looking at ballistic tables the two rounds are very similar in trajectory and energy in like bullet weights. From accounts related to me by folks who've hunted with their SKS rifles using the heavy for 7.62x39 soft points, the rounds indeed appear to perform much like the 30-30 on game. Given the wide range of game animals that have been taken by the old 30-30 I'd not hesitate to hunt medium game with a 7.62x39 soft point.
     
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    I've done wet pack testing with the wolf JHP's. They don't expand at all. Hardly even deform. Definitely stick with SP's if your gonna hunt using wolf ammo.
     
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    The 154 SP will have about the same effectiveness on deer sized game as the 30-30. A quick reference is checking out muzzle energy tables available on most ammo manufacturers websites. Compare the unknown caliber with one you are familiar with. Don't confuse the velocity (fps) tables, with Muzzle energy (Energy/ME/ftlbs) tables though.
     
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    What do you recomend?
     
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    I would rather use the HP for two legged targets then FMJ.
    However, any round in the proper place kills. I would use
    nothing less then a SOFT POINT bullet. The import HPs are
    not reliable expanding bullets, even though I have heard of
    successful stories. I hear tales of comparisons to 30-30;
    however, only the velocities are simular as the bullet weights
    of the 30-30 is 150 to 170, compared to 125 gr, bullet energy
    isn't near the same.
    If it were me, find a source to load or load my own with
    bullets at 150 gr. Velocity will be down, but weight, and
    energy might make the difference between a kill and a chase
    that hopefully someone else will tag.:D
     
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