Al Gore's Speech--surprisingly good

[Mad Chemist]

This entire thread is riddled with ad hominem fallacies. I'm sure that most of us here aggree that Al Gore is a putz. That is not the point. The point is that sometimes even a putz gets something right. If you don't like the contents of his speech then attack them logically. Regurgitating one-liner attacks from the 2000 campaign will only illustrate your own bull-headed ignorance of the subject at hand.

JH

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

Sorry Taliv,but thats a classic from way back and bears repeating always..Stupid is as ..well.And not only didnt I read his speach.....I actually watched it! wow...This numbnut sounded and looked more like Jimmy Swaggert then a politician.He keeps reinventing himself to score browny points.Research his unadulterated exasberation of the laws being broken,and you will find this many times in the Democrat strongbox of "what we never did".Oh yea,lets talk about the law changing this during the Clintoon era..bwhahahaha..remember arkansas land deals?.....ppppppp..His bullypulpit is nothing more then a lifelong dream to be somthing close to Billary..why who knows.If you think the fight to maintain the right to bear anything closley resembling a republic is a just quest,plug your ears as he talks.

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

Sorry Mad,but the dems have been "puking" the same rethoric for some years.Now thats getting old.

 

[Biker]

But the Repubs haven't been puking the same rhetoric for years?
What part of Gore's speech do you take issue with?
Biker

 

[shermacman]

How do you guys figure that the al-Gore quote is wrong?

I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

During a quarter century of public service, including most of it long before I came into my current job, I have worked to try to improve the quality of life in our country and in our world. And what I've seen during that experience is an emerging future that's very exciting, about which I'm very optimistic, and toward which I want to lead.

Not to add to the ad hominum, but al-Gore is an egotistical fool. And he clearly tries to impress Blitzer with his claim that he created the internet.

 

[Cosmoline]

This entire thread is riddled with ad hominem fallacies. I'm sure that most of us here aggree that Al Gore is a putz. That is not the point. The point is that sometimes even a putz gets something right. If you don't like the contents of his speech then attack them logically. Regurgitating one-liner attacks from the 2000 campaign will only illustrate your own bull-headed ignorance of the subject at hand.

JH

Exactly. Some folks, including a bunch of posters who apparently just joined the forum, are working overtime to smear Gore and avoid addressing the message in this speech. It's bizarre.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Biker, I doubt you're going to get through to this dude, and you can't really condemn his resistance to answering your question--it's basic human nature. Kenneth Galbraith, the economist who coined the term "conventional wisdom" (which he considered an uncomplimentary description), wrote: "[Economic and social behaviors] are complex, and to comprehend their character is mentally tiring. Therefore, we adhere, as though to a raft, to those ideas which represent our understanding." You're not going to pry folks like THEREALIRONHORSE off that raft regardless of how hard you try.

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

Thats a pretty low blow "those who just joined".Does your status make you more correct?I have always found it funny that the human race is easily overcome by those who excel at public speaking,and find humor and fault with an individual not so grand on the soapbox,no matter how right they may be.I never said I did not respect your opinion,as you do not mine,BUT.If you have any historical knowledge of Al Gore<not sure of your age>he becomes as most Democrats do,whatever the flavor of the month is.Any correct statement made by him are in my opinion nulified by the fact he had one mission in mind,like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Polosi.Forget us,lets smear you.Nothing,and I mean nothing has been accomplished by Gores,nor any Democrat leaders almost treason like attitude in the past 5 years.Its purley politically motivated.

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

Sorry folks.I dont mean to tread on you or your beliefs,I just found this to be an great forum,full of intellect,and never meant to come on harsh.Im a hunter trapper of 32 years living in the catskills,I guess so to speak,set in my ways,and really sick of politicians reinventing themselves..HUNT ON

 

[Carl N. Brown]

one-liner attacks from the 2000 campaign

This is the disease affecting the American body politic from left
and right, Democrat and republican, on practically every issue:
complex issues reduced to one line jokes or scare tactics.

[tin foil helmet on]
The dang flouride in the drinking water has reduced the average
American attention span to twenty seconds!
[tin foil helmet off]

Judge Alito approved strip searching ten year old girls.

Judge Alito approved a police woman in a drug raid strip searching
a woman and a ten-year girl in private, given the fact that gangsters
often foist drugs or weapons on children hoping they won't be searched.

The short version is punchier.

 

[taliv]

shermacman, invented!=created

in neither connotation or denotation

 

[shermacman]

Because al-Gore is lying, that's why. Those of you who are fooled by his words should have had your eyes opened by his actions. After all, he was the Vice President of the United States. And under his direction he circumvented whatever laws he felt were in his way.

The list is long and covers everything he ever touched, from his rental properties not conforming to building code and occupancy laws, to using FBI and IRS files as tools of intimidation. Election laws, campaign finance and (in my opinion the most important) throwing out votes from our servicemen.

He whimpers about the treament of foreign prisoners yet happily sat by while his administration fired rockets into asprin factories, killing a bunch of absolutely innocent janitors.

Taliv, want to try again? Your post is incomprehensible. It lacks punctuation, subject, verb and most significantly, it lacks a point.

 

[Biker]

Sorry folks.I dont mean to tread on you or your beliefs,I just found this to be an great forum,full of intellect,and never meant to come on harsh.Im a hunter trapper of 32 years living in the catskills,I guess so to speak,set in my ways,and really sick of politicians reinventing themselves..HUNT ON

No reason to be sorry, Friend. I think you'll find that there is a diverse (Gawd! I hate that word) political crowd here.
Having said that, a guy (or girl, heh heh...) will get called on the carpet for spouting 'one-liners' and cliches.
Whether it's about Bush or Clinton, nobody profits intellectually from speaking in 'bumper-sticker'.

Biker

 

[Biker]

Because al-Gore is lying, that's why. Those of you who are fooled by his words should have had your eyes opened by his actions. After all, he was the Vice President of the United States. And under his direction he circumvented whatever laws he felt were in his way.

The list is long and covers everything he ever touched, from his rental properties not conforming to building code and occupancy laws, to using FBI and IRS files as tools of intimidation. Election laws, campaign finance and (in my opinion the most important) throwing out votes from our servicemen.

He whimpers about the treament of foreign prisoners yet happily sat by while his administration fired rockets into asprin factories, killing a bunch of absolutely innocent janitors.

Taliv, want to try again? Your post is incomprehensible. It lacks punctuation, subject, verb and most significantly, it lacks a point.

Do you realise that just about everything you've attributed to Gore in this post could be attributed to the present administration in one form or another?
Biker

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Thats a pretty low blow "those who just joined".

I don't mean to apologize for Cosmoline, the original poster, but there has been a strange number of new posters in recent weeks who are posting just slight variations of the same party line. It's like on those John Stewart bits about Bush administration spin--they show a montage of television talking heads all saying more or less the same message in unison. It's creepy.

For the record, Ironhorseman, you are not in that group. You're expressing unique and interesting thoughts. I don't agree with many of them, but I understand where you're coming from.

 

[taliv]

Taliv, want to try again? Your post is incomprehensible. It lacks punctuation, subject, verb and most significantly, it lacks a point.

How do you guys figure that the al-Gore quote is wrong?

Gore said "I took the initiative in creating the internet."

A bunch of blithering idiots took that to mean that that an uneducated politician was claiming to have invented the TCP/IP and HTTP protocols and algorithms all by himself, and have turned it into an ad hom attack to ignore everything he's said since.

Perpetuating this sham REQUIRES misquoting gore using the word "invent" which would imply some technical skill, instead of "create" which in the context of his job, clearly means focus on shifting tax dollars to fund a DARPA program.

It's nothing short of intellectual dishonesty.

I hope that's comprehensible enough for you.

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

I don't mean to apologize for Cosmoline, the original poster, but there has been a strange number of new posters in recent weeks who are posting just slight variations of the same party line. It's like on those John Stewart bits about Bush administration spin--they show a montage of television talking heads all saying more or less the same message in unison. It's creepy.

For the record, Ironhorseman, you are not in that group. You're expressing unique and interesting thoughts. I don't agree with many of them, but I understand where you're coming from.

Thanks LB.
Funny thing is,Im a 44 year old longhaired been there done that family oriented gun owning mountain living hunting fishing conservative family man.Im a snowstorm in april sometimes..

 

[Cosmoline]

Because al-Gore is lying, that's why. Those of you who are fooled by his words should have had your eyes opened by his actions. After all, he was the Vice President of the United States. And under his direction he circumvented whatever laws he felt were in his way.

How many times do I have to explain this. I'm not supporting Al Gore. I don't like the man. In this case, though, he's come closer to the truth than any other major politician of either party.

 

[Cosmoline]

I don't mean to apologize for Cosmoline, the original poster, but there has been a strange number of new posters in recent weeks who are posting just slight variations of the same party line. It's like on those John Stewart bits about Bush administration spin--they show a montage of television talking heads all saying more or less the same message in unison. It's creepy.

This is what I was trying to get at. If the new posters are really interested in gun ownership and hunting issues I hope they stick around. But I've noticed an unusual number of one or two shot members in this and other threads spouting soundbytes and leaving.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Im a 44 year old longhaired been there done that family oriented gun owning mountain living hunting fishing conservative family man.

I'm a 43-year-old, shaved-headed, been-there-done-that, family-oriented, farm-living, hunting, fishing, non-dogmatic family man. I shot three deer opening day last November and have been ice fishing a half-dozen times already this year. But I digress...

 

[Waitone]

A stopped clock is right twice a day. So Al Gore can be right occasionally.

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

This is what I was trying to get at. If the new posters are really interested in gun ownership and hunting issues I hope they stick around. But I've noticed an unusual number of one or two shot members in this and other threads spouting soundbytes and leaving.

You should have checked my signature first.I never hide who I am.

 

[Cosmoline]

The link is busted. But in any event it's not about people "hiding"--it's about what appear to be a new breed of partisan flame artists. Obviously, since you've stuck around you're not in this category.

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

I'm a 43-year-old, shaved-headed, been-there-done-that, family-oriented, farm-living, hunting, fishing, non-dogmatic family man. I shot three deer opening day last November and have been ice fishing a half-dozen times already this year. But I digress...

lol ,But I digress...If I tried ice fishing Im sure my tipups gigs and me would be in the wash...lol been so damn warm here for the past ...well long time.Must be Bushs fault..global warming ya know...lol just kiddin
Dont wanna start another war..

 

[THEREALIRONHORSE]

The link is busted. But in any event it's not about people "hiding"--it's about what appear to be a new breed of partisan flame artists. Obviously, since you've stuck around you're not in this category.

Sorry,fixed the link.My mistake