Albuquerque Store Clerk Shoots Armed Robber

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The risk, and I'm not sure how serious it might be, is that it can be interpreted (made to sound) as a possible indication that the person had a general predisposition to violence.

Seems to me more like a predisposition against being dead. Like "Better safe than sorry."

I guess I see your point though. There are a lot of people out there that think that people that have the ability to thwart an unprovoked attack in an instant would be predisposed to violence.
 
"Your must hide your mac address needs to be protected by masking your ISP"? A non accurate statement. At the first layer three hop your mac is gone. You can mask your MAC address anyway you want by just modifying it in your network connections. But why bother when your IP is available for the world to see. The only time to hide your mac is when you use someone Else's network.

Yes you can use a VPN to hide your location if the VPN provider doesn't already sell that to someone else. TOR supposedly has been broken by the NSA. The inexperienced should not be hanging out in the soft underbelly of the Internet anyhow. However if you are being watched an all your traffic is "encrypted", then your normal internet usage (which is probably most boring for anyone), now becomes interesting. Hmmmm. Why is that one IP address always encrypted. You think someone watching doesn't know your using a VPN Service? Most using a VPN 24x7 could be stealing TV services.

Funny how people get afraid to tell their opinions because they are scared of a future lawsuit. Back to the beginning. It is up to everyone to ensure that they have the ability to protect themselves or if they prefer not to protect themselves at all. I will deal with deadly force when it happens, chances are most of us will never have that happen in our lifetimes.
 
Funny how people get afraid to tell their opinions because they are scared of a future lawsuit.
You have missed the point completely.

The best advice is to avoid the creation or display of narratives, letters and messages, comments, slogans, assertions, illustrations, symbols, etc. which, should they be made known at a later date, could reflect upon you poorly or used adversely.

Lawsuits are one thing, but don't forget job interviews, sales opportunities, application for membership or licenses, some hinds of credit approvals, and insurance coverage, the credibility of testimony or other representations, and many other things.

We have been discussing the possibility that something should be uses to describe potential mens rea in the aftermath of a use of force incident. But that addresses only one kind of litigation. There are also discrimination suits, divorces, property disputes, fraud and embezzlement investigations, contact awards, contract compliance questions and associated claims, health and safety issues, product liability issues, and many other things.

This is by no means limited to internet posting and social media.

One more time: the best advice is to avoid having or creating anything that, should they be made known at a later date, could reflect upon you poorly or be used adversely. And do not rely on the likelihood that such things will remain confidential or never some to light.

Fear? No. That is all based upon real world experience, with consequences that have ranged from the most unpleasant to the very, very costly.
 
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I have not found a web copy of its employee policies, but Circle K has fired employees who have used lethal force to survive armed robberies.

Typically, a Corporation prefers a dead employee to a dead criminal. If an employee kills a criminal, no matter how justified it may be, there is the potential for a lawsuit against the company. However, if the criminal kills an employee, that becomes a law enforcement matter and the Corporation is essentially blameless. I am certain everyone who has ever worked in some menial job has been trained to be passive submissive when confronted by armed killers. This is not because this is the best survival strategy for the employee, it is however, the lowest cost alternative for the company.

Last year at the 7-Eleven around the corner from me, one weekday morning around 9:30 am a guy took a sandwich and a beer and walked out without paying. Female clerk followed him out to the parking lot attempting to get paid. He stabbed her. Male clerk went out to the parking lot to defend female clerk, BG stabbed him also. BG ran away and was found a few blocks away a few hours later. Male clerk died of his wounds. Female clerk was last reported in critical condition, never saw any followup stories so assume she survived. Good example of why employees are trained not to engage with robbers, let them take what they take or took, surveillance video will identify them and police hopefully catch them later. But if the robber already starts assaulting the employee before or as part of the theft I don't understand how the employee can be expected not to try to defend him/herself.
 
Your concerns about your city are understandable. It's happening everywhere and it's happening more and more frequently. Here is an example from three days ago in Cincinnati, Ohio, were the clerk shot and killed the "attempted robber." Other stories referred to this person as the "alleged robber" or "alleged gunman." http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...rk-shot-attempted-robber-fairmount/687786001/
A few days before this a man was arrested in Lebanon, Indiana, after he called 911 about teenagers trespassing and damaging his property. When the police arrived, they arrested him and not the bad guys. http://www.timessentinel.com/news/c...cle_bda46397-9d43-5564-baa6-dffdacff947f.html
There is hardly a day that goes by that I don't witness some type of crime and/or criminal activity. Some incidents are big and others are small, and althought I'm not a police officer it's clear to anyone with eyes that the overall lawlessness of society is obviously getting worse. Today it was simply a handfull of traffic violations, but one of them resulted in a motorcycle/car crash. Last week it was people trying to hit me with their cars/trucks while I was picking up trash along the roadside. After three attempts to run me down, the last one being a jerk who drove across the yellow line, across the oncoming lane of traffic and onto the grass, I finally had enough and called the police. When the officer arrived, he was simpathetic but just shook his head and said there was really noting he could do because he "didn't witness the alleged event." So, in essence we have become a society in which some people believe they are entitled to special treatment and others who take the "see no evil" approach. At this point, I'm honestly glad that my years are coming to an end. I don't want to be around in 20 years to see how bad it gets!
gopros are getting cheap (china knockoffs). get the license plate no., then dial 911.

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I live in Albuquerque and this city is going to hell, last I heard we were up there at the top of this of highest crime rate cities in the US. This woman refused to be a victim, good for her. If I owned a convenience store, especially in this city I would require my employees to open carry and pay for them to get firearms training. Armed robbery here in Albuquerque is becoming the norm, it hardly even makes the news anymore, enough is enough it's time the good people of this city start standing up for themselves because our police force is vastly understaffed and stretched extremely thin.

http://krqe.com/2017/09/19/store-clerk-who-shot-armed-suspect-says-shed-do-it-again/

The problem here in Albuquerque, or one of them, is the Obama administration Justice Dept. issued rules tying the hands of the cops, no wonder they can't hire them.
 
Convenience store owners shoot robbers almost everyday in this country.

The difference is the store owners don't fire themselves and this clerk had no vested interest in the money in the till, but she did have a vested interest in her life.

I frequent a local gun store and some the sales staff open carry while they work. Your chances of robbing that place and getting out alive are slim to none. Some of the employees are ex military and one put it to me this way. "lets just say I've been tactically trained by the military".

This would lead me to believe that if the owner of a store wanted to secure their establishment they could easily do that. Obviously circle K would rather let their employees deal with armed robbers without any means of self defense and let their insurance cover the lose. Banks do the same thing and we all get to pay for it.

Personally, I don't like being robbed at gunpoint. Somebody could get shot.
 
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If I lived there I would carry every time I went out the front door.
Don't forget lvl 4 armor!

(I went to H.S. and started college there decades ago) It was bad then, and can have only gotten worse given their left leaning gov...
 
I remember going into a 7/11 in Illinois in the late 70`s and seeing a two way mirror . The lighting was just right and I could see a person sitting behind the mirror and I remember a sign about an armed guard being on the premises.
 
The problem here in Albuquerque, or one of them, is the Obama administration Justice Dept. issued rules tying the hands of the cops, no wonder they can't hire them.

I get my "local" news from Albuquerque. From what I see the cops are almost as big a danger to the citizens as the criminals. The city has paid out a lot of money for wrongful deaths by the police force since Albuquerque tv became my source of news.
 
Seems I remember the mayor there several years back asking the producers of "Cops" to discontinue filing there, saying it was putting his city in a bad light.

At any rate, I understand a recent crowdfunding effort on behalf of the young lady that is the subject of this thread (or was) has already raised half of its original $20K goal (the campaign was started by her mother, who had said her daughter would never have asked for help herself.)
 
I lived in Albuquerque from 1990 to 1993. I lived in good areas. I had two break in attempts while home. The first one was waking up at 0200 with someone trying to kick in my front door. They didn't care if I yelled obscenities at them from the other side. When I cycled the action, in between their kicks, they heard it and made tracks. Aren't metal door frames wonderful? Second was someone opened the garage door. I was out and my wife was inside. My dog, a blue healer chow mix, who just happened to be in the garage sleeping, went ballistic. Pistol involved was a TZ-75 Italian clone in 40 cal.

I drove through the city in July when I had a business trip that took me north of Sante Fe. Oh how it has grown. So if crime was a big deal then, I think its a bigger deal now.
 
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