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"All Guns Are Machine Guns, Right?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by WAGCEVP, Jul 11, 2003.

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  1. WAGCEVP

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    This is pretty much the core of our problem.

    Information is power. Who controls the information? :(
     
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    The liberal media wouldn't know the truth if it kicked them in their collective butts.:rolleyes: :barf:
     
  4. Moparmike

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    The Militia Act of 1792 also states that every able-bodied white male (yay sign of times) between 18 and 45 shall sign up for the militia. While I dont have a problem with that, it does sound alot like the draft. I do oppose the draft. Militia groups are looked down upon because of a few outspoken members, unfortunately.

    It also says that we all have to have muskets with balls and powder at all times. I am afraid that if someone tried to cite this document, they would promptly strike it down as being outdated and not applicable to today.

    I am all for owning guns, but I just hope that no one sites this document and inadvertantly ends up helping the gun-grabbers score points.
     
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    Works for me!
     
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    Moparmike, you need not be concerned. The Militia Act was codified in 10 USC 311 and is current today. We are the 'unorganized militia' mentioned in paragraph (b) part (2).

    TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > Sec. 311
    Sec. 311. - Militia: composition and classes

    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b) The classes of the militia are -
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia

    This is exactly the section of code I use in debates with anti-gunners when they claim that the Second Amendment applies only to the 'militia'. I then go into the explaination of the word 'people' all through the Bill of Rights then move on to the U.S. V. Miller ruling where the court said:

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=307&invol=174
    'The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service [/B]these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.'

    If we aren't allowed to have guns, how are we to 'appear bearing arms supplied by themselves'? I even debated an attorney from Va. who worked for the Clinton administration, he left the debate.
    SLAM DUNK!
     
  7. benewton

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    Any "oldsters" out there interested in getting that upper age limit lifted a bit???

    Say, 20 years or so?

    I want a bit of headroom...
     
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    Cool! I was hoping that there might be a legal document that we could shove in the face of the anti-rights people.

    I believe a synonym to the phrase "Slam Dunk!" might be the slightly more appropriate "BOOOOYAAAAAHHH!!!", but to each their own.
     
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