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  1. meef

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    He was pissed, his parents were pissed......

    Man, that family is in some serious need of potty training.

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  2. romeo212000

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    I wish we could get Fat Tire here in Oklahoma but they dont have it here. THey have it all around us but not here. Anyone wanna help me out lol?
     
  3. USMC 1975

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    I had this problem with my daughter. Then I told one of her boyfriends that I had a gun, a shovel and 10 acres and they will never find him if he ever disrespects me or my daughter.

    The word got out quickly after that at school that her Dad was a psycho and she had a hard time getting a date after that.

    Mission accomplished. :)

    Chris
     
  4. granuale

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    NYenthusiast, I think you handled the situation well and I thank you for posting about it. I have to say that I disagree with your decision not to involve the authorities. This guy needs to get put on record for this kind of behavior. What if you weren't there, what would he have done? What if it was only your sister at home alone and unarmed?

    If he starts with more threatening behavior towards her, police action against him will be much more likely if the history is recorded by the police. If he does something similar in 4 months and you need to have the authorities deal with it then, it will be much easier to prosecute when his pattern is established. Saying "he did this before" in a few months won't cut it.

    I would also argue that you have a duty to the rest of society here. This guy got drunk and trespassed at someones home late at night while intoxicated and had no problem doing property damage at least. He tried to "kick out her window" to what end? Please re-consider your decision for the rest of us with sisters who live alone.
     
  5. JWarren

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    USMC 1975 wrote:




    Reminds me of this:


    -- John
     
  6. Sans Authoritas

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    USMC 1975 wrote:

    This is the "High Road?" Have we suddenly taken to making threats of death by firearm for "disrespect?"

    Vile, unmanly behavior.

    Such attitudes and behavior belong in MS-13, not in civil society.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  7. JWarren

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    Sans Authoritas,

    Dude... lighten up. I don't know where you are from, but that rhetoric from parents is essentially a "rite of passage" in many parts of this country.

    I know that I got that same speech from a few Dads in my teenage years.


    Figurative and literal interpretations are very different, and should be considered.


    -- John
     
  8. Sans Authoritas

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    Where I'm from, it used to be understood that a man would treat a woman honorably. If I had ever encountered that kind of behavior or "speech," I would've turned on my heel and left them both behind. That is not because I ever had any ill intentions, but because I have no ambition to associate with that manner of imprudent and unstable person or his offspring. If the father was not able to trust his daughter's judgment, and he felt he had to impress me with threats of violence to convince me to act honorably, she was not someone that I ever wanted to date.

    Death threats, figurative or literal, are never something to be made or taken lightly.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  9. JWarren

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    OK... so we know that about you. And I am telling YOU about how many areas have certain patterns in their culture that are figurative in nature.

    If you do not like it, you have the option of the choice you indicated.

    But considering that this figurative speech is common in many parts of this country-- and I would think you would know it-- it seems a tad overdramatic to call another poster "Vile."

    Frankly, I think that in our effort to show so much respect to everyone, we forget that teenagers are still children-- even if they think otherwise. Some guys sniffing around your teenage daughter could use a bit of seriousness instilled in their lives.

    Civil Society? I'd say that what we are doing NOW doesn't seem to be getting the desired results-- or at least I hope to God that these are not the results we desire. Don't believe me? Come visit the school where I teach.

    Clearly, what we are doing now ain't working so well.


    -- John
     
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  10. Sans Authoritas

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    And in some cultures, such as are found in Saudi Arabia, it is considered socially acceptable to beat women who speak out of line, I understand.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  11. Biker

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    Lighten the hell up - take a damn Midol or somethin'.

    Biker
     
  12. JWarren

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    What Biker said...


    And in MY culture, a guy that shows disrespect to ME in MY house while coming to date MY daugher finds himself without a date or a future with my daughter.

    And a guy that hurts my daughter knows better than to come back.

    What was the question again?


    -- John
     
  13. Sans Authoritas

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    JWarren, your first premiss is actually sane. Insofar as your daughter is under your roof, you have every right to screen prospective beaus.

    The second part is sane, as well. As long as death threats aren't made to back it up, depending on the level of "hurt."

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  14. loboloco

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    NYenthusiast -

    Good job on handling the situation, although you should maybe have file a report...
     
  15. Sans Authoritas

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    JWarren wrote:
    I called his behavior and attitude vile. Not him. To say that bad ideas and poor judgment are a part of someone is to say that a leech is a part of one's body. The wise man instantly removes a leech from his body as soon as he is alerted to its presence and perceives its nature.

    JWarren wrote:
    You are free to decide upon the persons with whom your daughter associates. You are not free to use idle (or are they, perhaps, serious?) threats against them to do so. Especially threats aimed at preventing "disrespect."

    There are those who recognize that freedom of association, and in grave situations, defensive violence, are all one needs to control one's environment. Then there are those who feel they need threats and aggressive violence to control their environment.

    To which group do you belong?

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  16. JWarren

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    I don't worry about my sanity at all actually.

    No offense, but I wasn't submitting myself for measure against anyone's moral compass. I've spent a great deal of time considering my worldview, and am very comfortable in my position within it.

    But thanks.


    But we are veering off target. I'll let USMC 1975 do his own responding.


    I belong to the one that does not get pigeon-holed into "A" or "B" choices defined-- and therefore owned-- by others. But thanks again. :)
     
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  17. cassandrasdaddy

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    "Offer me a beer and I'll go away."

    shoot offer you a beer you might never go away
     
  18. romeo212000

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    You guys are missing the most important concept. Yay Beer!
     
  19. CannonFodder

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    ^^^
    The duck has a point.
     
  20. Sans Authoritas

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    Remember . . . making threats about trivial matters not pertaining to self-defense is against the law.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  21. JWarren

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    And screwing around with an protective dad is bad for one's health.

    You should have heard the implied threats I got in HS when I went out with a Highway Patrol Officer's daughter. She never missed curfew.


    -- John
     
  22. Sans Authoritas

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    Associating with people who think nothing of dropping casual violent threats (such people as are found in 1 percenter biker gangs) is bad for one's health, too. A loss of health is easy to prevent, by simply not having anything to do with them. There's nothing to gain by associating with them.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  23. JWarren

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    Bingo.


    -- John
     
  24. cassandrasdaddy

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    my daughters are young yet but i heard a line i wanna try. son you 2 have fun i just want you to know that anything you do to her i'll be doing to you when you bring her home. drive careful.
     
  25. Biker

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    "Remember . . . making threats about trivial matters not pertaining to self-defense is against the law."

    You're starting to get on my nerve.

    Hide behind the playground monitor a lot as a kid?

    Biker
     
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