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Alternate defensive weapons

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by bunkie, Jan 26, 2003.

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  1. bunkie

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    Another post brought a good topic to mind. How about legal alternative weapons for defending yourself if a gun 'aint available? When I was in College, I carried a gun in the trunk of my car, but in the back seat I had a pair of soft ball cleats, a Ball glove and a 34 ounce Louisville slugger. I didn't even play softball, but I guarantee a good piece of hickory in the hands of a pissed-off redneck beats a couple of punks with buck knives. Literally. Been there, done that.javascript:smilie(';)')
    wink Besides a good bat, a cattle prod was often found in the tool box of my pick-up. A good hatchet gives you some options as well. A 16-inch big ol' Phillips Srewdriver works too. One end pokes nice holes in flesh, and the other end works well as a club. ;) ;)
     
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    I recently saw a post where somebody carried a toolbox in the backseat with a drywall hammer on top. VERY effective hatchet-like tool where the Politicritters have outlawed protecting yourself.

    I'm also intrigued by the non-metallic weapons coming out; everything from CIA letter openers to batons to blades from G-10, fiberglass reinforced kydex and so on.
     
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    A Benchmade CGC7 and an ASP make good traveling companions when a firearm isn't an option.

    Unfortunately, there are places in the US where even these aren't legal :fire:
     
  4. Spackler

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    I've heard G. Gordon Liddy speak about using a pencil as a weapon. No joke. He said to take one of those large diameter pencils with the hard lead and sharpen it to a razor point. It can then be used as a kind of dagger. Liddy advocated targeting the soft area under the chin, so that the pencil would be driven up through the tongue and the roof of the attacker's mouth.

    Liddy is nothing if not creative.
     
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    An Estwing geologist's pick and a handful of rock samples. You can also check out the Cold Steel War Hammer for an even better device along the same lines.
     
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    I had a friend in school that used a small can of red lacquer paint. The effect is that when someone is sprayed in the face w/ it and wipes their face and sees red, they immediately think their bleeding causing them to stop attacking. She would also prepared to tell would be attackers that they should go to an emergency room and have them clean the stuff off.
     
  7. Gray_Fallen

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    Non-metallic weapons are definately interesting. I make them out of G-10 and Carbon Fiber, edged weapons mainly, although impact weapons are a possibility.
    More expensive than the Zytel pieces from A.G. Russell and Cold Steel, but also a lot more durable and capable. Carbon Fiber will actually take a limited cutting edge. Its my favoured material for non-met knives.
    I wouldnt try to get on an airplane with them, or inside a courthouse... the risk of being caught is too much. Although I did walk into the local Human Services building, where they have a rent-a-cop scanning people with a hand held at the door, with a non-met necker on... no one the wiser.
    I would take one on the bus if I ever rode again (since at a couple stops I encountered metal detectors prior to reboarding) and would take on on the train if I rode it as well.
    Generally they have a lot of potential, I think everyone should have one or two lying around, just incase.
    People say they shouldnt be made, say that "we dont need this", and most people who make higher quality ones wont sell to anyone but cops, military or in some cases, paramedics. I think thats a sucky attitude and very much akin to the "Only Police and Soldiers should have guns!" attitude, and i hate to see it taking over the knife world and knife industry. I think it will be our downfall in the end. There are alreayd too many collectors and makers of fancy knives saying "We dont need tactical or self defense knives". :cuss: :fire:
    Obviously I disagree and think anyone should be able to get non-met blades. I will sell to anyone I dont get bad vibes from (Yes, this is my business policy, if you give me bad vibes, I dont sell to you. haha).

    If I am going somplace weapons arent allowed, I carry a Mini-Maglite in a kydex belt holder, and very often a non metallic impact tool in the bottom of a pocket. The Comtech Stinger generally. "Thats an accu-pressure massage tool, Officer."
    I also walk with a crook top cane, which is a wicked weapon in trained hands (doesnt take a lot of training either).

    A bandana can be used in various ways as a weapon too... I'm not as well versed in this as I would be, but get in touch with Comtech ( www.jamesakeating.com , comtech@bmi.net ) as they have a Bandana video out.

    A drywall hammer or a shingle hammer would be a great thing to keep on the top rack of a tool-box in ones backseat. Hell, I wouldnt argue too much with a regular framing hammer if it was all I had.

    Another thought is the Fred Perrin Defense Wallet. Holds drivers license, credit cards, and coins... but, when loaded with coins, it doubles as a Sap/Blackjack :evil:
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    I'm currently trying to negotiate a trade to get one of these... they look reallly sweet.
     
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    Non metallic

    being another geology student you can make some very leathal small weapons with rocks. You can make a knife with a piece of flint, just start with an oval/egg shaped piece and hammer away with another roc kat one end until its sharp enough to gut someone.
     
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    One of the most devastating weapons around is legal EVERYWHERE, no questions asked.

    It's a large "C" cell aluminum flashlight. The Mag-Lite "C" cell is approximately the same size as a good night stick.
    Unlike the night stick, it won't break, and is heavy enough to totally destroy somebody.

    Massad Ayoob once gave a very eye-opening demonstration of this in a court case. The jury was amazed at how easy heavy wooden furniture was splintered.
     
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    Ahh yes, the good old mag light. I have a 2-D cell I keep next to my bed for those midnight jump up, grabd the gun, go see what critter is bothering the livestock moments. But I've worked with it a little to use it like a short stick.
    a 3-D would be better, just havent gotten one with it.

    I can break a shovel handle with a solid whack from my mag-lite, no doubts about heads or other bones. heh heh heh
     
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    Just like High Roader Chris Rhines always says, "Hit them with something solid and hard...like the Earth or a building."
     
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    With an active imagination, anything can be a weapon. ;)

    I have a cane that I carry from time to time, helps my bad knee yanno.
    I can do a world of hurt with it and there are specific trainers out there who teach how to use a cane for self defense.
     
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    When I fly I keep a pair of tubesocks in my bag, along with a few heavy items that can be slipped in to make an effective flail. A billiard ball in a sock wil ruin your day.

    I also carry a pair of welder's gaunlets, and some sharp pencils.
     
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    I like the tube-sock idea. I think a tube-sock full of wood-screws would work especially well.
     
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    HAHA! What the heck is this thing?

    http://infomercial.tvheaven.com/crime.htm
     
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    I hear these steering wheel lock thinggies don't stop the thieves??? One look at this puppy and I'd have to say they are wrong! It is not designed to be a weapon and it belongs in a car. Can't see where too many cops would accuse anybody of having a weapon on board. How fast would this thing break a bone? Yeowzers!

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    Here is a highly interesting device which has many applications and is very PC.
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    This little gadget appears to be made out of the same material as the impact kerambit but it was originally intended to carry grocery bags! It looks like a cross between a kerambit and a defensive knuckleduster.
     
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    What about those hand-weights w/handles some joggers carry?

    After all, it's already in your hand. The stone knife has always fascinated me. Anybody know of a good book, or, better, video on how to make them? [obnoxious adolescent mode:ON] I wonder if anyone's ever boarded a plane with a lump of flint, a piece of deer antler, and a cane and walked off with a spear?:evil: "Honest, officer, it's my homework for Anthropology 101" (I can be SO immature!):D
     
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    When a gun is not available? Perish the thought!

    Use a flashlight as a kubotan on a commerical plane. Still prefer not to fight, run away.
     
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    Where to start here is the problem. Others alternatives have included things in the car, I believe defensive tools need to be on us to be useful.

    1. How about a belt and good solid buckle.
    2. A manrikkigarrote, though it may be illegal in some places.
    3. An appropriately made key chain as a flail.
    4. Comtech Stinger on a key chain or neck chain
    5. A roll of quarters
    6. a small dowel in the back pocket [ yawara stick ]
    7. How about a knife? Nobody mentioned one, yet they are obvious and whether restricted or not as to blade length, one can with the proper training use a small folder quite effectively.
    8. Pens, good, very good
    9. My jacket/shirt wrapped around the arm to fend off a knife with no other training
    10. A stick off the ground if in the right area.
    11. A rock
    12. A bandana/handkerchief with some training
    13. Last but not least, your brain is the ultimate weapon. All others listed are implements used by the brain in a way that defends in some manner through the 6 P principle.

    Brownie
     
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