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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bruce in West Oz, Oct 12, 2004.

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  1. Bruce in West Oz

    Bruce in West Oz Member

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    http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11046297%5E952,00.html
     
  2. twency

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    And that is all I have to say about that.

    -twency
     
  3. HankL

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    Hiyah Mate! A good ending to that story. Good thing that they thought to bring the pistol along.
     
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    Puts a whole new meaning to the Dingo took my baby
     
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    Next - Jason goes to jail for having a gun, killing an endangered species, etc, etc.
     
  6. Parker Dean

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    It would be interesting to know if there is a subsequent legal action like that. Since I doubt we can count on the press to report that or not, Anybody got any contacts in the area?
     
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    Thanks, Bruce. Good piece.
     
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    Hahaha, that story is about 10x better when the quoted parts are read out loud in an Australian accent with "CRICKEY!" thrown in every now and then.
     
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    I understand that just before the attack Steve Irwin was poking it with a sharp stick...

    "Crikey!, you're a grumpy buggaahh, ahhn't you?":D
     
  10. Andrew Rothman

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    Was it legal for the guy to have a gun while camping? Anyone?
     
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    Didn't Austrailia only outlaw handguns like England? Or did they take everything? The article didn't say what kind of gun he had.
     
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    I too would be interested to know if there is any subsequent legal action taken against the person who shot the croc.

    For any of our Aussie members, under what circumstances can one legally carry a firearm?
     
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    I don't leave home without shoes, socks, trousers, a shirt, my wallet, and a gun.
     
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    The first five are negotiable, the gun is NOT!

    And open carry is legal in NM. (although it applied to pistols and not "guns"):what: :evil: :neener:
     
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    That's why I dont go camping...anywhere. :what:
     
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    For camping and hunting it is ok to have a rifle if you are licensed

    Handguns are very tightly regulated and the laws vary from state to state

    Crocs are a protected animal so he could possibly face charges

    But I would hope that logic prevails and he gets to keep the hide at least

    Because the has been a ban on shooting crocs for a long time now their numbers have increased to the point of them being out of control

    Thankfully being from Victoria we don't have crocs

    Steve Irwin is just about the only Aussie that says crikey

    Rob
     
  17. Bruce in West Oz

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    Was it legal what Jason did?

    Let's see:

    • Strictly speaking, he was not allowed to have a firearm in a national park. Authorities have said they will not charge him, given the gravity of the situation.

    • The croc is protected -- but Jason won't be charged on the same basis as above.

    • There was no mention of whether he had the firearm "stored securely" as required by law. From the speed with which he retrieved it, I would guess not. It depends on the coppers as to whether he'll be charged or not. I doubt it, but it is possible. Depends how loudly the antis and animal libbers bleat.

    • Different states have different rules about carrying firearms in vehicles. Friends of mine wanted to carry a .22 on a round-Australia trip, but would have had to have had a steel cabinet welded inside their vehicle to carry it in. :rolleyes:

    • I doubt very much that it was a handgun. That is simply verboten. He'd be in all sorts of strife if he'd been carrying a handgun. We have no idea what sort of firearm it was, but it took (reportedly) six shots at zero range in the back of the head to stop the croc. Wouldn't be at all surprised to find it was only a .22 rimfire or WRF magnum, because they're relatively easy to get a licence for.

    • You can't, strictly speaking, carry a firearm for self-defence in Australia -- that's not even a valid reason for owning a firearm any more. However, you can use a firearm in self-defence; the difference is crucial.

    • Firearms are NOT prohibited in Australia (well, not yet, anyway :fire: ) -- just damned hard to legally acquire and use.

    • I'll keep an eye out for any further news on this -- especially if any legal action is aimed at Jason. So far, the media are far more concerned with making a hero out of Alicia. But we'll be watching. :scrutiny:

    Bruce
     
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    Whew!
    Up here we blather on about bears and caliber, handgun, long gun ad nauseum (well, it beats 9mm vs .45)
    So tell us Bruce... whats the best gun for hungry crocs down under? (Besides the one you have handy at the moment?) Is it a question asked over and over and over? Heavy solids going slow or lighter, fast hollowpoints?

    What type of gun did they have that was handy? (I assume it was a rifle) Are the politicians now working to remedy that situation by slapping them on the wrist and recommending wearing bells and using pepperspray???

    Thats a big lizard lying there. (Or is it?)
     
  19. Joey2

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    Bruce in West Oz,

    Where in Western Australia are you? I have family living in Perth.
     
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    Since crocs are (now) protected, not many of them get shot! However, "use enough gun" to quote Ruark seems to be the rule. I believe big and slow(er) gets the nod -- I know of one company that provides its employees with a .444 Marlin on a corporate licence for protection against crocs (they work on pearl farms up north).

    Joey2
    I'm in Perth. Northern (beachside) suburbs.
     
  21. Joey2

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    Bruce in West Oz,
    My cousin is a doctor in Perth. His sister (cousin to me also) and her husband have a big tomato farm somewhere in the area.

    These are cousins on my fathers side, his brother migrated to Australia in the early 20's. My uncle was a tailor and owned several tailor shops in the area. After he retired his eldest son ran them until he retired.

    My uncle was run over by a car while crossing the street to visit his girlfriend.:rolleyes:

    If you want to know the family name we can go to PM.
     
  22. 45Badger

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    BOOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
     
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    Bruce, how hard is it to acquire licencing or pump/lever shotguns or pistol-caliber rifles? It seems lile those might me pretty handy, but not seen as so 'dangerous'.
     
  24. Bruce in West Oz

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    OK, I'll (briefly) explain the system that works here in Western Australia -- other states are similar but not identical.

    A pump action shotgun is a prohibited weapon; mine was crushed by the police in 1997. (In certain extenuating circumstances you can get a licence for one, but for "ordinary" people, forget it. The same applies to self-loaders.) We used to be able to buy a lever action shottie, but I think that all fell in a heap and was never very popular anyway.

    Shotguns can be held on a "low power" licence -- the same as .22 rimfires and air rifles.

    Centrefire rifles (all calibres, from Hornet to .444 or whatever) are held to a "higher" licensing regime, and require a waiting period.

    For any firearm, you need to establish "need" and "reason" with the police.

    This is itself is quite complex, as a brief look at the following will make obvious (from the WA Police website):
    http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/FirearmsandWeapons.asp?FrequentlyAskedQuestions
    (An interesting site to visit, by the way.)
     
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    <-----------thanks God he lives in the US

    Do not construe this as a bash on Australia, as I'm sure there are many fine things about that country. I prefer the US.
     
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