Am I being a Jerk?

[M-Cameron]

Post #50 and I'm the first person to be concerned by this? Wow.

Just got back from shooting, drink a beer, and clean some guns. Accident waiting to happen. Yea, I know, one beer, but jeez. Guns and beer don't mix.

As far as who cleans the guns, I don't think it really matters. I've cleaned plenty of guns that I haven't shot.

eh.....if he had said, " we cracked open a beer, then went shooting"....then i would be concerned......

but dealing with unloaded firearms.....and 1 beer......i dont think is anything to be alarmed about.

...i mean, drinking and driving is bad......but no one would raise an eyebrow if he said..." we cracked open a few beers and washed my car"

 

[PlateStacker]

It's the Military thing. When I was in, they'd make us clean our damn weapons (even CONUS - not even fired since last cleaning) for almost an hour! If we got done cleaning them, we'd have to take them back apart and clean them again.. it was beyond stupid. We'd be cleaning brand new weapons that have been cleaned every other day, and havent been shot in weeks, just carried around!

 

[dprice3844444]

i just disassemble my glock and pop it in the dishwasher

 

[BADUNAME37]

It's the Military thing. When I was in, they'd make us clean our damn weapons (even CONUS - not even fired since last cleaning) for almost an hour! If we got done cleaning them, we'd have to take them back apart and clean them again.. it was beyond stupid. We'd be cleaning brand new weapons that have been cleaned every other day, and havent been shot in weeks, just carried around!

Well, they could have had you move a pile of dirt from point A to point B then back to point A - just for the giggles of it all. Or, they could put you to work on something that is important.

 

[BENBRU]

In terms of Ettiquette...I dont even say "Im thinking about selling" something...If I say those words ... It is for sale!

Yeah... it is for sale... We're just about $100 different on price... he wants just the gun... I want to get rid of all the crap I have for it. I've been thinking about selling him the gun for his price. My fault for not explaining that.

And as far as guns and beer go... cleaning guns and drinking beer is a long standing tradition. Sorry but one beer is acceptable at dinner it's acceptable to have a beer while scrubbing out a gun. The law says that drunk with gun is a BAC of .08... I think that's too high but having a beer while cleaning a gun is just plain American. Now if I was getting the old Easter Kegg tapped and flowing while cleaning I too would have an issue. Add in the fact that all ammo is locked in the garage as soon as I unload the truck, and that anyone that goes shooting knows that... Risks are mitigated but always present

I'm still of the opinion that you shoot it, you clean it, at least ask if I want it cleaned. If you don't know how to clean it you ask...

As for being a gun unique issue I say bunk to that. I know guys that treasure their lawns more than anything in the world and expect their lawn mower to be cleaned if it gets borrowed... I expect my gun to get cleaned if you borrow it... especially when it's obvious that it's cleaning time...

Oh well... like I said before... it's not the first time nor the last time I'll be a jerk. My give a crap scale on this one is low... it just has consequences, like not letting him borrow stuff because I'm not sure how I'll get it back.

 

[Nushif]

Without your directions as to how to clean your pistol he more than likely would have done something wrong to get you upset any how.

Kinda this ... I think you just don't like people touching your toys. 8)

 

[M-Cameron]

As for being a gun unique issue I say bunk to that. I know guys that treasure their lawns more than anything in the world and expect their lawn mower to be cleaned if it gets borrowed... I expect my gun to get cleaned if you borrow it... especially when it's obvious that it's cleaning time...

Oh well... like I said before... it's not the first time nor the last time I'll be a jerk. My give a crap scale on this one is low... it just has consequences, like not letting him borrow stuff because I'm not sure how I'll get it back.

did you actually tell your friend that you wanted him to clean the gun before this incident.....or did you just assume he knew you wanted him to clean it?

because if you just assumed.....then you really have no right to be upset with him.

 

[dbro822]

IMHO, it is the fee for helping a friend into a great pass time, now if he had shot the dog snot out of it he should at least offer.

 

[MtnSpur]

Yeah... it is for sale... We're just about $100 different on price... he wants just the gun... I want to get rid of all the crap I have for it.

I'll give ya $50 for the Glock and $25 for the stuff that goes with it and don't care if it's filthy I just need a new doorstop

Shame on me

 

[clutch]

I don't want anyone cleaning my guns. Now if they offer, I'll give them points to the good as far as how I think about them. I'll also decline their offer politely. Actually, I've never had anyone offer to clean my guns after they shot them but then they were my guest each time.

The post did remind me to clean the M&P compact I shot today. I see I'm getting some leading. Note to self, buy some jacketed bullets so I can de-lead the easy way.

I'll do the AR tomorrow, gotta have something to do while watching the evening news while dinner is cooking.

Clutch

 

[Wishoot]

15 minutes???


I can clean three Glocks in 15 minutes

 

[Guillermo]

yes

you are being a jerk

 

[AlexanderA]

The way I see it, the owner should clean the gun. That way, he has no one but himself to blame if the gun is somehow damaged in the "cleaning." Now, letting someone else shoot the gun is entirely at the owner's option. This does not imply an obligation on the shooter's part to clean the gun, although it does imply some sort of obligation to pay for the ammunition shot.

If I let somebody shoot one of my guns, personally I wouldn't want him "cleaning" it, much less disassembling it. In fact I would be offended if he started to take it apart. (How could I know whether or not he knew what he was doing?) My permission to shoot it doesn't extend to disassembly!

 

[Sport45]

I thought it would be assumed that he should clean it if he fired it....

That's not an assumption I would ever make. If I take someone to the range and let them shoot my guns they are free to go when we get home.

I'm not sure I want to take this guy shooting anymore, let alone sell him the glock if I do decide to.

Why on earth would you care what he did with it once it was his????

 

[788Ham]

Well, it doesn't sound like much of a friend! If he thinks so much of you as a friend, wants to buy your pistol, knows how you take care of it, let him shoot it, then by Gawd, he cleans it, shouldn't have to be asked, hinted at or otherwise! This good friend probably wants you to knock off 1/2 the price, I mean c'mon, he's your "best" friend right!? AND, after he's shot it enough times, its a used gun, why not knock off 1/2! A buddy of mine helped me change a trigger out of a rifle, not complicated, but I wasn't sure how to do it. When he finished with it, I thanked him and left. However, the next day I went to the sptg store and picked up some bore cleaner and some patches, not knowing if he had the right bore brush, I picked one of those up also. When he inquired about why I had gotten this stuff, I told him it was because he was a good friend, and I didn't want to take advantage of his time and expertise, I appreciated his help. And??

 

[12131]

If I'm taking a friend to go shooting (my guns), I would let him/her enjoy the experience, that's it. I would have no problem cleaning the guns afterward.
Think of it as having guests over your house for dinner. Would you hold a grudge against them, if they did not wash your dishes afterward? I don't sweat over small things. But that's just me.

 

[gym]

I would rather clean a gun myself rather than allow someone who chose not clean a gun you were kind enough to let him use. But on the other hand I don't let anyone shoot my guns, other than my wife, so I woulden't have that problem, If it were a mag or even two, it would make no difference, but 2 boxes requires a cleaning with any automatic. And to take it a step further I have seen guns including glocks foul and FTF with cheap rounds that foul everything up internally. Like TUL, I shoot them because they are cheap, but I can actually feel the grit after a couple boxes. Not cleaning an auto is just bad carma, I don't care what anyone tells you, there are too many things that can happen to a gun that is dirty and allowed to sit and cake up, especially the firing mechanism, and even the mag in some cases. Once he asked if you expected him to clean it, I would have never allowed him to have the gun back in his hands. I am not saying that he would intentionally mess up your gun, but an angry or annoyed person just shouldn't be messing with something I stake my life on.

 

[AZ]

It sounds like he was just frustrated because you weren't 100% after suggesting selling the gun (and shooting it probably made him that much more eager to buy it!) but what is some temporary animosity, friends are friends and dudes forgive each other imo. As for cleaning guns I won't let any of my friends do it for me. Has nothing to do with trust I just like cleaning my guns, it's part of owning them, and I can be pretty darn possessive when it comes to my guns.

 

[Jungle George]

As a rifle instructor I have a couple of rifles I loan out regularly. I always clean them myself. I wouldn't expect them to do it, there are a lot out there that never clean their firearms and have no clue how to do it. So I wouldn't trust them to do it.

 

[PATH]

Wow! Sure are a lot of replies in this thread.

1) You are not a jerk.

2) Personally I never let folks clean my firearms. They can however wash my car.

3) Never assume anything and you can avoid issues by openly discussing things.

4) Did you decide to sell him the Glock or not? IMHO the most intruiging aspect if this thread.

 

[BADUNAME37]

.....I'm still of the opinion that you shoot it, you clean it, at least ask if I want it cleaned. If you don't know how to clean it you ask...

......My give a crap scale on this one is low... it just has consequences, like not letting him borrow stuff because I'm not sure how I'll get it back.

I don't understand a couple of things.
1) IF your "give-a-crap" scale on this one is low, then why come on here and post the entire incident?

2) Then, when people answer your question as to - are you being a jerk about it - you seem to not want to hear the truth.

3) I think there is more to this than just asking a friend if they want to shoot your gun then your being angry afterward that they did not offer to clean the gun, then, on top of that, your being angry at just how he cleaned it, by golly!

You ask our opinion, we are honest with you in giving our opinion, then it is like you are taken aback at OUR attitudes and OUR opinions on how it all went down. This seems to be the kind of thing trolls do, get everyone going on something. I'm not saying in any way that you are a troll, I am only saying think about what it is you expect to hear from us all when you ask the questions and then we are honest with you.

After all, we could all tell you a lie and tell you that you are a nice guy all the time and this friend is NOT Really a friend - if he indeed did that nasty thing to you! Is that what you would like to hear - us ranking on your friend?

I guess I don't understand the point of the entire post if none of us cannot seem to get through to you about something that you came here asking us about!:banghead:

 

[crm7290]

If he just started shooting and your letting him shoot with the chance of him buying it, cleaning is on you. No questions.

If you were just learning how to shoot would you know that you are being expected to clean the gun? Would you know how? Maybe to him cleaning it for 15 minutes is all it needs.

I started shooting last year with friends and just now got my own shotgun. My friends that I shoot with know that I just bought it and that its my first gun. They offered to clean it for me the first time (after about 350 shells) and next time they will show me how to do it. Back when I was shooting only their guns they said "No I dont want you to clean my gun" and that was that. We would hang out at their place with them cleaning their respective guns and me just being company.

 

[merlinfire]

Personally, I say he was kind of being a jerk not offering to clean it, but I wouldn't want to cause harm to the relationship by calling him out on it. Taking the time to clean it myself is worth it to me.

 

[Rshooter]

I prefer to clean my own guns. Last time I went shooting at a friends house he asked me if I wanted to clean his gun too. I did. I find it relaxing.

 

[Old Shooter]

No matter who shoots it, I clean my own guns.

If I let you pop a hundred rounds thru it at the range, later that evening or the next day I will clean it myself, thank you very much anyway.

I want all my guns to go bang every time. I don't want to have a "WTH?" moment after someone else had cleaned and re-assembled one of my guns.

To answer your original question, I wouldn't say you were being a jerk unless it was lite beer.