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America Is Dead...

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  1. NIGHTWATCH

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    You can't fix a corpse

    Posted: July 12, 2004
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    ©_2004_WorldNetDaily.com

    Tibetan religious tradition has it that when the Dalai Lama dies, the Buddha of Compassion leaves his body and incarnates in the body of a young child. The monks immediately go out in search of this blessed child, and when they find him – as they inevitably do – he is tested by a group of high lamas and enthroned as the reincarnation of his successor.

    Imagine, however, if the lamas refused to recognize that the Dalai Lama was, in fact, dead. Suppose that instead of going in search of the Buddha's new carnal home, they hooked the corpse up to a life support machine and waited patiently for the Holy One to awake and rise up. It's not hard to see that they would be doomed to disappointment, and furthermore, would fail to find the next Dalai Lama as well.

    This is precisely our dilemma today, for America, as envisioned by the Founding Fathers, is dead. By every measure, large and small, the original vision of limited government by, for and of the people has been folded, spindled and mutilated beyond recognition. When one reads the Constitution, one simply marvels at the distinct difference between its words and our present reality.

    Our paper Federal Reserve Notes are not Congress-issued gold and silver coins. Our direct taxes are not apportioned. We are entangled in a veritable web of foreign alliances, Congress shamelessly makes laws regarding speech, religion and guns, and the judicial branch has arrogantly assumed for itself unchecked supremacy over the other two branches.

    Regardless of whether one see these changes as blasphemous treason against the Constitution, or as reasonable and necessary modifications to what was designed to be a living document that evolves with the times, it is impossible to deny that they have been made. It is likewise impossible to assert that a massive central government possessing eminent domain, owning over a third of the land and claiming more than a third of all income is either limited or small.

    For many years, conservatives and other freedom lovers have placed their trust in the Republican Party, hoping that it would fulfill its promises to return America to its national birthright of freedom and individual liberty. Those promises, unsurprisingly, were broken by the party of Abraham Lincoln, who is most famous for converting what had been a voluntary Union of free association into a forced Union by military might.

    Any last vestiges of hope in the Republican Party have been shattered by the current regime, wherein a Republican President, Republican House, Republican Senate and Republican-nominated Supreme Court have demonstrated that they have zero interest in the timeless vision of America's founders. Supporting them in the hopes that they will revive American liberties is akin to hoping that shock paddles will suffice to revive a month-old corpse. American freedom is not only dead, it has been rotting for some time.

    There are those who say that a vote for a third-party candidate, such as the Libertarian's Michael Badnarik or the Constitution Party's Michael Peroutka, is wasted. Nothing could be further from the truth. Indeed, these are the only votes that are not wasted, for positive change will only come from those outside the corrupt bi-factional system. After all, it was neither the Tories nor the Whigs who fought for American independence.

    Like the Tibetan lamas, we must go in search of those in whom the spirit of freedom and liberty burns. The revival of American liberty is still in its infancy, as only 482,451 people voted for the Libertarian and Constitution presidential candidates combined, 0.96 percent of those who voted for the victorious Republican, George W. Bush. But that is 482,395 more people than the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, and as for those who believe our present bipartisan system is eternal, well, tell it to the Whigs.

    Or, for that matter, to the optimates and populares of Rome. The choice is simple, if not easy. A revival of liberty or the continued stink of an extinct republic as it decomposes into dictatorial empire.

    America is dead. Let us go, then, and find her.


    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39394
     
  2. Treylis

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    This bears repeating in particular.
     
  3. FPrice

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    Your America may be dead, but mine isn't.

    Mine may be hurting, bent, bloody, and under attack, but it's not dead.

    As long as I have a breath in my body my America will go on.
     
  4. Shovelhead

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    Condolences to you about your America, :(
    Mine is still kicking. :D

    Ed
     
  5. dave3006

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    Is your America still alive when it:

    takes half your income in taxes
    ignores enforcing its borders
    gives preference to blacks and mexicans for gov't contracts
    forces your kids to attend socialist schools
    makes you pay to keep your own car and home
    gives your money to other countries
    denies your right to keep and BEAR arms
    feels you up before you get on a plane
    searches you randomly on buses


    America is so long dead the body stinks and is maggot-ridden. Your denial is part of the problem.
     
  6. Lone_Gunman

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    To those who think the ideals of the founders are not dead, I say you are living with blinders on.

    Bush signed a law he said was "probably un-Constitutional" which severely curtails political speech otherwise protected by the first amendment.

    You can talk about voting for the "lesser of two evils" all you want, but you are a fool to vote for someone who will admit to signing what he thinks in his heart is un-Constitutional legislation.
     
  7. The Rabbi

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    Real simple: you don't like it, go somewhere else. But quit whining.

    For all the whiners let me point out that:
    -in the time of the Founding Fathers there was no pure food and drug act. People routinely died from bad medicine and food poisoning.

    -In the time of the Founding Fathers it took months to get from Europe to the US. The battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812 was a waste because a truce had already been signed but no one knew about it. Today things that happen in remote parts of the world have an immediate effect on us. For that reason the US has and needs a diplomatic presence in many many foreign countries.

    -The whiners would no doubt have been happy to see Hitler, Stalin et.al walk over the rest of the world while we sat behind our two oceans and watched because we had no army or navy.

    -In the time of the Founding Fathers people were routinely denied the right to vote based on color, religion, sex, and economic status. Those things were changed but not without some serious enforcement issues.

    So for everyone pining for the good ole days: if your ancestors came here within the last 200 years, if you can vote but do not have $50,000 net worth, take medicine for any ailment, eat packaged processed foods, enjoy the power that the US can wield on the world stage then you can thank the Federal government for all that. Yes, there are problems and issues and certainly nothing to gloss over but the "US is dead" business is nonsense.
     
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    It is worse than nonsense. It encourages people wallow in self pity rather than actually confront the problems.
     
  9. Yowza

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    I think that the point of the article was to get people to actually see the problems. A necessary step before they can be confronted. If you don't like the hyperbole, fine. But that doesn't mean that the point is invalid.

    Rick
     
  10. dave3006

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    Rabbi, the US corpse may look better than the Europe, Asian, or other corpses. However, it is still a corpse and is dead. Very few of our original liberties are intact. Sure, we have some amenities that are nicer now than before. However, we are still slaves to the federal gov't.

    Just because the slaves quarters are nice, does not mean he is free.
     
  11. MrAcheson

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    If you are going to try to do something constructive you don't call something "dead". Dead things don't generally become alive again unless a diety gets involved. You call them sick or gravely ill. I'm not saying he doesn't have a point. I'm saying he could have made it a whole lot better because all this is just whining BS.
     
  12. cuchulainn

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    People are already aware of the problems without this article. Saying "America is dead" is an expression of hopelessness. By focusing on "America is dead," the writer does encourage people to wallow in self pity.

    His token call to action in the final few paragraphs is far outweighed by the overwhelming hopelessness of the rest of the article. Remember, most people don't read complete articles, so most people who read this saw only the hopelessness.
     
  13. The Real Mad Max

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    America is alive and well.

    If you don't think so, try living somewhere else.
     
  14. Thumper

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    Yawn...

    America ain't dead...least not amongst me and my partners.

    Seriously...if you feel that strongly, why aren't you "voting from the rooftops?"
     
  15. dave3006

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    Thumper, are you suggesting we start killing people? You claim America is alive among you and your partners. Do you pay income tax, property tax, sales tax, car tax, socialism security tax or the 400 other taxes? Can you own an M16? Can you carry a gun everywhere you want without a special "permit"?

    Too many people confuse goodies with liberty.
     
  16. The Real Mad Max

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    And too many people confuse liberty with chaos.
     
  17. auschip

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    Guess you don't drive on the roads (paid for with taxes). Never went to public schools (paid for with taxes), Gone to the hospital (paid for with taxes). Bought vegetables (subsidized by taxes), built anything with wood or steel (subsidized by taxes), or sent a letter (subsidized by taxes). Can I own an M16 - yep.
     
  18. The Real Mad Max

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    Exactly auschip!!!! Well said.
     
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    Dave,
    Are you equating paying taxes with lack of liberty? How else would you like to fund all the things the federal government does? Bake sales? I know of no government that ever survived without taxing its citizens at some level. What connection is there between the two? I don't see any.

    Yes, I can own an M-16. In fact I am looking for one right now. So what? Do you want Mike Tyson to have one too? Can your 12-yr old daughter drive on the highway? Can your next-door neighbor manufacture hallucinogens? If you want to equate no regulation whatsoever with absolute freedom and then make that the goal, go ahead. I see how well that's worked in large parts of Africa. Beware of the law of unintended consequences.
     
  20. dave3006

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    Yes. Our founding fathers equated overtaxation as the lack of liberty. 50% tax rate is slavery. I don't want to be compelled to pay for the education of others in a socialist system. I'll pay for my own health care. Gov't interference is why it is so expensive now.

    Every single thing the gov't touches it destroys. America will collapse financially just like the Soviet Union because of runaway spending. You can bet your life on it.

    The corpse is dead. Get used to it.
     
  21. Gordon Fink

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    Kicking ass perhaps?

    The American republic is dead.… Long live Imperial America! Welcome the new golden age of unlimited power, gluttonous wealth, and gentle tyranny.

    And now for the classic retort from the Rabbi …
    … just dripping with wisdom.

    Yes, cuchulainn, the situation does look pretty hopeless, but we haven’t all retreated to our bunkers just yet. Some of us can even read all the way through an article.

    ~G. Fink
     
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    Silly me I thought it was "No taxation without representation!" Not "No Taxation. Period." As an aside, 50% taxation isn't slavery. Zero pay and ownership by another person is slavery. Fairly substantial difference. You might pay for your own healthcare, but the county pays for the hospital building, and most likely the Doctor's education that you don't want to pay for is subsidized by the .gov (at least a portion of it).
     
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    If you drum beaters really believe this, it is a call to arms plain and simple: they are not counting on voting to change anything. Funny, I don't hear no shootin. :confused:
     
  24. The Real Mad Max

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    g fink

    Wow. Very astute.

    Imperial America! Of course.... Thanks for clarifying that...
     
  25. Gordon Fink

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    You’re welcome. :D

    ~G. Fink
     
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