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America's Firearm and Ammo Supply Chain Safe?

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  1. .308 Norma

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    Dang it ohihunter2014! You made Guinness go up my nose!:eek::rofl:
     
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  2. Hartkopf

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    I don’t know either. I’ve been buying ammo over the past year for silly cheap. It hasn’t gone up much but I’m not buying more now because of the Wuhan flu. Everybody should have already been stocked up and I didn’t start this thread to encourage ammo buying. I do like to shine a light on what we’ve done to our manufacturing capabilities though.
     
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    I'm glad you got a kick out of it. I am usually not one to panic or be nervous about stuff but one guy made a comment today that made a lot of sense. Look what happen when Hurricane Katrina hit. This will be the same. As much as I don't want to I think I will be getting on RMR website here soon. Right after I go to the local scrap yard and lowes and buy me some carbide metals and saw blades so I can build a tank! Come get some Corona Virus!
     
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    What an odd sense of humor you have Ohi .
     
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    Yes, we are our own worst enemy. I don't have the answer but recommend good basic information about covid-19 which can be obtained here: https://arstechnica.com/science/202...ensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/ and you can check a visual image of hotspots here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Just don't tumble for the sensational headlines, inevitable scam artists, and internet/water cooler/bar experts. Stay safe, reduce your profile, and try to help those in need. Shooting supplies are least of our worries.
     
  6. Riomouse911

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    I can see a hiccup for a few weeks if, and that’s if, companies from ammo manufacturers, shippers, wholesalers etc. have their people stay away from work for a week or two.

    I don’t see the mass panic kicking in like during the Obama-era, but there may be a few empty shelves for a while.

    I am not a hoarder, nor am I a profiteer. I will say that I always buy ammo when I see it at a price I like because I’d rather have 500 rounds too many for a weekend of shooting fun than be 5 short. As a result of many years of this mentality I have enough for every caliber/gauge I own for quite a while...

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  7. Texas10mm

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    I was in a local Academy store today.

    The ammo isle looked like it had been hit by locusts.

    Almost no rimfire ammo, almost no pistol ammo, and only the most expensive .223 left.
     
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  8. Shanghai McCoy

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    I got one of my many daily ads from PSA a little bit ago and it has a message that leads with, "Due to increasing demand..."
    So, guess they are getting "busy"..? :uhoh:
     
  9. beeenbag

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    Ammoman is wiped out of all but premium ammo. Local Shelves are bare
     
  10. Hartkopf

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    I guess some people don’t believe any of the official guidelines about the Wuhan virus and they think a 2 year winter is coming.
     
  11. Rembrandt

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    He who controls the raw materials and manufacturing will control the supply chain.

    Plenty of examples can be found in the history books. In situations where the U.S. was caught short on materials (ie:WWII) we innovate substitutions to fill the void. Rubber shortage....development of synthetic rubber and nylon. Gasoline shortages...development of gasoline "Cracking", allowed more fuel to be produced per barrel of oil. Shortage of transport ships....enter Kaiser's development of modular "Liberty Ship" construction.

    If we come up short on materials, new innovations will fill the void.....if short on manufacturing capabilities, other industries will shift their priorities to meet the demand. That's the beauty of a capitalistic society....the freedom of society to create a solution.
     
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  12. Hartkopf

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    This is probably the first time in US history that we have so many different industries controlled by our near/almost/easily could be enemy. Hopefully we can adapt and innovative in a hurry.

    Anybody know if any powders are completely made here in the US? Australia is being fondled by China so much that I wouldn’t be surprised if powders from there could be held hostage.
     
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  13. Axis II

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    China isn’t out to get us.
     
  14. Hartkopf

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    Yep I heard you the first time. Anybody who looks at the details knows different or is profiting from business in China. They have admitted their plan to rule the world.
     
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    This is becoming more and more self-fulfilling disaster. Kansas has had 6 confirmed cases and 1 death so far. So City of Wichita and Sedgwick County just banned public gatherings of more than 250 people resulting in a Gun Show this weekend being cancelled along with some other events.

    Of course the City and County are keeping the bars open. Can’t miss out on that tax money.
     
  16. Axis II

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    Pinkey and the Brian had a plan to rule the world and look where that got them.

    we all profit from China. Everything is made in China cause everyone wants $40hr to drive a Porsche or Benz and companies sent stuff overseas. It sucks but it will never change. If you use a pen at work or a wrench in the shop your profiting from China.
     
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  17. Hartkopf

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    There are short term benefits to dealing with China but to what end? Do we make our own clothes? Nope. Our steel industry just about died but luckily that was salvaged to some extent. 5G network? That just about got ugly. There’s several more examples of how we are not self sufficient and China is in control. It more than just sucks. Oh yea how’s our free speech when an NBA owner speaks in favor of freedom?
     
  18. Hartkopf

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    Just checked MidwayUSA and there’s a delay and the price of the items in my cart went up substantially. I don’t trust the last link of the supply chain in this case. I’ll bet UPS and others will have trouble getting packages delivered. 30604F99-2218-4C66-AD08-F405CCB28DE9.jpeg
     
  19. GEM

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    China's plan is to return itself to the center of the world - that being the Asian countries around it. Read a book on their history. They used to let most countries go their own way as long as they acknowledged that they were vassal states of China. They wish to accomplish this and have our 'allies' switcht to being their vassals. Their extension of control lines and claims into the Pacific are for this purpose and to push us out. I doubt actually physically ruling us is a goal, being the major influence in the world is more likely. We gave them the economic weapons to do this. Fighting them is a no win enterprise. Even substantial losses to their armed forces won't conquer them in a real sense and we would lose just as much. The Navy is desperately trying to figure out our carrier problem. The Chinese have invested heavily in area denial and those ships aren't viable. The Navy started a big study program to see what to do. We planned on 4 Ford carriers (that is going well) at first and then maybe more - that seems out.

    It must be galling to have recon planes flying off their coasts and fleets sailing around their waters. If they flew in the same way off our coasts and sailed fleets up and down the West or East Coasts, we would be having fits.
     
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    I likely have enough ammunition and reloading components to last the rest of my life and then some. Yesterday about 9:30 AM I decided to go to my local Giant Eagle super market just for a few things. Wasn't crowded at all and I never got as far as the toilet paper aisle as we have plenty. My wife orders all that large bulky crap from Amazon and I just pile it in the garage. A few friends came by today and shared horror stories about Walmart and Cosco with people waiting in lines? I was like ***? At 9:30 AM my local Giant Eagle in Solon, Ohio was nice and normal not that I did a head count. All the shelves were well stocked including meats. Like I mentioned, I never got to toilet paper aisle.

    My neighbor works for Heinin's another market chain and yesterday her store did over 200K in take, a big day for them and everyone who called asked if they had toilet paper. I may end up sending a crate of the stuff to my kids, :)

    When you survive decades of reloading and manufactured ammunition shortages you learn lessons. Not about to even think about buying more, :)

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  21. Mr. Mosin

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    Remind me, can't straight walled cases be machined from brass stock ? .357, .45-70, etc ?
     
  22. Hartkopf

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    I would guess they could be but I bet they wouldn’t be strong enough.
     
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    12 guage hulls with ribs make the best TP, you can out them on a finger. I better start hoarding hulls in case I run out of TP;)

    Ok, just trying to lighten things up a bit:D
     
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  24. Hartkopf

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    Well I can’t help to go totally off topic and post the lack of meat in one central Texas grocery store. 45BFA3E9-ABCA-49F5-825B-917D952EAE7C.jpeg
    Getting ridiculous
     
  25. herrwalther

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    I went to 4 different stores today looking for toilet paper, was down to my last 3 rolls. Had to rush through some people to grab a 12 roll. I haven't been into any gun shops in the last few weeks, but ammo supply doesn't look good if people are jumping over heads for toilet paper.
     
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