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America's Safety Catch: Reality Slaps BBC Around

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Dain Bramage, Apr 25, 2008.

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  1. Dain Bramage

    Dain Bramage Member

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    There's a serious "does not compute" irony swirling around this BBC story. Just like those androids that can't handle paradox in Star Trek, I can picture smoke curling out the ears of the BBC higher-ups, as they receive copy from their man in deepest, darkest Missouri.

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  2. FieroCDSP

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    Interesting read. I don't personally leave my doors unlocked, and my neighbors get drunk and fight three to five times a week, but on the whole, our country doesn't see the amount of crime that other countries paint us as having. An armed society is a polite society.
     
  3. Technosavant

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    Interesting opinion piece. Despite the reputation for crime in our cities, the fact is that the vast majority of violent crime is visited by criminals on criminals. We don't walk around in fear or in apprehension, no matter where we live. Our guns don't even take us over and cause us to become ruthless killing machines.

    The thing that must really make the person throw a gasket is that where we have guns and even carry them in public, you're going to be even safer than in places like NYC, where legal carry by common citizens is unthinkably rare.
     
  4. Fish Miner

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    Walk around my University- I could show you some public drunkeness....
     
  5. skidmark

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    Or walk around any other neighborhood and you could see evidence of criminal behavior -- but not to the extent that the Brits seem to be enduring.

    With the exception of a few "wilding" incidents, there is no widespread evidence of feral children (especially of the 5 - 12 years old variety) or the "yobs" (13 - 25 years old) going around in packs and face-slapping folks randomly because they can get away with it, or of herds of them running amuck in a grocery store much like the scence from Police Academy I.

    I do not think the police in the USA are that much better than the cops in Great Britain. However, they are not quite as hamstrung as their brothers on Airstrip One, who are reduced to handing out Anti-Social Behavior (ASB) citations and an invitation to appear in court three or more months hence to discuss the matter. I do not think the general citizenry of the USA is of a better caliber than the Brits, but they are certainly less constrained by the law in what they can do regarding defense of self and home when the front door is kicked in at 11:30PM.

    While we are as a society catching up to the Brits in many ways regarding the coddling of criminals and the abandoning of decent citizens to the predations of our own version of the packs of feral youth/yobs, we are not yet at the point that has been reached on the other side of the Atlantic. My guesstimate is that it will never reach that level, given our cultural history of personal self defense

    The great bright spot here is that in spite of the yammering of those opposed to gun ownership, there are very few amongst that crowd that adhere completely to the idea of just giving up, rolling over, and letting the criminals run wild. Even the most rabid anti-gunner will pick up the phone and plead for the police to come solve their delima du jur. And as we see by all the news reports, the average Ameriocan cop is still not yet willing to surrender use of the gun, tazer, ASP/billyclub or plain old fisticuffs when dealing with bad persons.

    stay safe.

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  6. Kitchen_Duty

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    was it just me or was the article doing some really weird turns back forth, kinda like the author had a mild form of ADD (no offense to the ADD gun owners of THR)...

    I would also like to see some references cited, oh wait...:banghead: that would be real journalism not fear-mongering
     
  7. UTdave

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    It seemed like it might have been a transcript of a broadcast or something, it did seem to jump all over the place and had a pretty low word count.
     
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    Because links go down.
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    Not true in the larger cities' deteriorating neighborhoods, which may partly explain why they're deteriorating.
     
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    I kinda feel bad that the British are so disapointed in our lack of violence.

    Speaking of violence, brawling, and public drunkenness, British guys are ones i've always said i would go out of my way to avoid a fist fight with. Along with the Irish and hockey players, they just have too much training.

    happens a couple times a day in my small town, what about yours?
     
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    First they gave up their guns, then they gave up their God. No Jesus, no peace, know Jesus, know peace.
     
  13. jakeswensonmt

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    They call it "happy slapping". Definition from the urban dictionary

    And in case you're wondering what a "chav" is

    PS: Here's a funny video of what happens when two chavs happy slap the wrong guy's girlfriend.

    PPS: Hope this post isn't too low road...
     
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    Scanr I'm not sure if your trying to imply a lack of Jesus or religion makes a person bad by default or that it is a cure for such things but that's how it seems to me.
     
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    In Cleveland last year, a 15 year old (out on probation for armed robbery) tried to rob a guy on his own front lawn. He got drilled for his trouble.

    His mutant family and friends started a stink about his "suicide by citizen". They were horrified to have just about the ENTIRE community tell them what to kiss and when. There was virtually NO sympathy for poor Arthur Buford. The general consensus from EVERYBODY was, "Armed robbery's dangerous. You might want to rethink it as a career choice".

    I like to tell that story to anti-gunners, especially Brits. The idea of somebody NOT putting his life in the hands of a previously convicted violent felon just sends them into a tizzy.
     
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    Hey, as long as you protect your 2nd Amendment rights, it'll never be anything more than a suggestion.

    Armed agnosticism, indifference with the courage of its convictions! ;)
     
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    Typical of a true coward. Where are the fathers of these miscreants?

    That video was great. If only more people would stand up and fight back, the chav's would then only pick on the truly weak--themselves.
     
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    jakeswensonmt,
    Excellent video!!!!!
     
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    The friends and relations of the kid promptly vandalized the victim's house, breaking every window. I'm a bit surprised they didn't torch it, since that would have vindicated the kid's actions that got him killed. :banghead:

    That video was great. The punks deserved to get their butts kicked by that guy. Someone pulls that crap on me or a friend, it's on.
     
  20. digiears

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    "An armed society is a polite society"
    Robert Heinlein

    Had to be said.
     
  21. macadore

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    No paradox. As Heinlein said, “An armed society is a polite society”.
     
  22. Scanr

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    off topic
     
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  23. macadore

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    Don’t go there. You’re not the only ones with morals. Is it more righteous to live a moral life because you’re a coward and fear Hell, or to live a righteous life because you feel it is the right thing to do? Pharisees need an external moral compass because they lack an internal moral compass. I realize you can’t understand that. You really don’t want to have this discussion. It will not be like preaching to the choir, and the moderators will not let it continue. I wish they would close threads like this as soon as your kind starts condescending.
     
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    Why doesn't anyone ever include the rest of the Heinlein quote?

    I rather like the full version...
     
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    get that stuff out of here Scanr
     
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