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America's Safety Catch: Reality Slaps BBC Around

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Dain Bramage, Apr 25, 2008.

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  1. Scanr

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    I do understand what you are saying, but that is going off topic so this is as much of a response you will receive.
     
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  2. rero360

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    Scanr,

    this is a firearms forum, not a religious forum, not everyone here is christian, there are Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists (myself included) Taoists, Hinduists, those who follow Wicca, and every other concievable religion and philosophy. To state that being of one religion over another makes a person a better person is pure ignorance, and is one the main problems with the world today.

    A good person is a good person, whether he follows what is written in a book or by what his gut tells him. There are plenty of good and bad examples for any religion or philosophy. One must judge each and every individual by their own personal actions.

    Getting back on topic, those two in the video got off lucky, someone was to do that to my woman, they'd end up in the hospital in a coma for their efforts. Plus I'd sue them for assult and battery.
     
  3. AJ Dual

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    This mirrors my experience knowing some British ex-pats who have relocated to America.

    Simply put, when it comes to crime, their worst can't hold a candle to ours. There's no denying that. Your average British chav dropped in a real American ghetto would not survive long. Conversely, I'm sure he'd be quite the menace in one of our suburbs. However, their worst is pretty much distributed evenly everywhere. Yet another side effect of socialism. Everyone here in the U.S. knows a horror story first or second-hand of when "section 8" housing goes up in a particular area and things start going to hell.

    Now do that to an entire country, smaller than many U.S. states, and you begin to grasp their problem.

    Despite our troubles, 95% of America is an exceptionally laid-back and sane place to live, which is why the statistics the "blame America first" crowd, both foreign and domestic loves to point out endlessly don't matter to most of us. And even where America is far from safe and sane, our criminal element thankfully seems somewhat more prone to engaging with itself. It all seems a fair trade to me, and I'll also flat out say so to anyone who asks.

    Just by way of example, if Detroit were to be annexed by Canada, our per-capita crime-rates would suddenly be almost even. The cancer we suffer here is still largely compartmentalized. And we do not have as strong a socialist tradition to metastasize it.

    And frankly, whatever ancillary death we do have here from firearms ownership that's above and beyond the much, much, much stronger crime drivers of culture and socio-economics is worth our freedom.
     
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    It's true that when violence does rear its head here it tends to be extremely serious and often lethal. But at the same time, you won't see people ignoring or turning a blind eye to public assaults. Just a few weeks back a fellow was fighting another on 4th ave. near my office. One of them went down, and the other continued to kick him in the head. Before I even had a chance to call the cops, a passer by from down the block ran full tilt and tackled the kicker, detaining him until the cops showed up. It reminded me of the video from Denmark(?) of the man slashing his ex and almost killing her while the passer byes either ignored it or tried very ineffectually to do something about it. We do kill each other sometimes, and sometimes shoot when we shouldn't, but at least we don't stand by and watch in helplessness.
     
  5. punchdrunk

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    If you eliminate the gang vs gang killings our stats get pretty sparse.
     
  6. XD Fan

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    Citation, punchdrunk? My instinct agrees with your suggestion, but I would really like to be able to back that up in a covnersation with an anti.
     
  7. CypherNinja

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    +1 on the Cleveland incident. After the home was vandalized a number of Cleveland PD officers volunteered their off-duty time to watch the guy's house.

    If I remember correctly, they found a gun in somebody's mailbox a couple of houses down that was ditched by the fleeing accomplice(s).
     
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  8. Zedicus

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    the UK, the ONLY place that would be "Disappointed" by a Lack of Violent Crime in the USA....
     
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    I've got a British client who's lived in the USA for 30 years. She went back for the first time last year and she said she'll NEVER go back again. She said she was scared to death the whole time she was there. But she still refuses to accept that guns in the hands of citizens, even if you don't own them yourself, makes us safer. The just can't get it through their heads that a disarmed populace means criminals, thugs, drunks, youth gangs, etc, etc, become emboldened to do anything they please, and her description of London and what I've read, really drives that point home.

    Heinlein was right, when you have to back up your manners with your life random happy slapping becomes a risky business, as well it should be.
     
  10. LightningJoe

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    The happy-slapping video was great. Wonder why they don't do that stuff in Texas? Oh. Nevermind.
     
  11. LightningJoe

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    You know, if my wife and I were walking along and we passed two guys and one of them reached out and slapped her face, she would beat his ass. I guess I'd take the other guy.
     
  12. Albatross

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    If I bumped someone walking past me while gesturing and that person started assaulting me I'd aggressively defend myself.

    Looked like an accident to me and assaulting someone for an accident is a good way to get shot or go to jail for assault. I don't think "But officer, he bumped my wife!" defense is a good one for throwing punches.

    By the way, this video has been on the Internet for years and years. Long before chavs and happy slapping. I don't think it is related, just retitled.
     
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    Good luck. My wife is the only person I know who's ever put somebody in the hospital barehanded (it wasn't me). Anyway, good guys who accidentally slap somebody while gesturing apologize profusely and immediately.
     
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    swings and roundabouts we have more yobbish behavior but we always have had its nothing new :(
    spree shootings exactly twice with years apart unlikely to happen again.
    different society different rules
     
  16. DagoRed

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    Interesting read, thanks for posting it.
     
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    X2. And its also limited to urban centers. Get out of the inner city and the stats on gun violence go WAY down. It mostly occurs in poor, minority neighborhoods where the overall crime rate is higher. This needs to be fixed folks, but not by limiting LEGAL gun ownership.
     
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