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America's shotgun?
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Dave McCracken
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America's Shotgun?
The Pump Gun.
Invented here, perfected here, used here by millions of people. Used successfully for everything a shotgun can be used for.
Make and model are individual choices.
The Pump Gun.
Invented here, perfected here, used here by millions of people. Used successfully for everything a shotgun can be used for.
Make and model are individual choices.
horsemen61
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Scrumbag
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No one going to give an honourable mention to the good ol' Browning A5?
Surely that piece of brilliant American ingenuity and iconic humpback profile must get some kudos.
Though push comes to shove I'd say the 870 over the Ithaca.
ATB,
Scrummy
Surely that piece of brilliant American ingenuity and iconic humpback profile must get some kudos.
Though push comes to shove I'd say the 870 over the Ithaca.
ATB,
Scrummy
oneounceload
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As the resident FUDD, and while I acknowledge the sheer numbers of 870s, I still have to go with some other names - Parker, LC Smith, LeFevre, and the older Remingtons and Winchesters.............. 
Jaxondog
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I would have lost the House on that one. I would swear that most of you would have said it was a Rem. 1100. oh well.
CaptainChaos
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Let's see - well, since it's *America's* gun, then I suppose it'd have to be a pump.
I have an 870 WM which is fine but a bit dissapointing when you take out the trigger group - it appears to be made of a collection of parts made of bent tin-plate.
I have an M37 or three. When taken apart, I see nothing but big lumps of machined steel. (They are the shotgun equivalent of what I drive: a Landrover Defender.)
Therefore, my vote goes to the Ithaca M37 DSPS in M&P livery.
Regards,
Mark.
I have an 870 WM which is fine but a bit dissapointing when you take out the trigger group - it appears to be made of a collection of parts made of bent tin-plate.
I have an M37 or three. When taken apart, I see nothing but big lumps of machined steel. (They are the shotgun equivalent of what I drive: a Landrover Defender.)
Therefore, my vote goes to the Ithaca M37 DSPS in M&P livery.
Regards,
Mark.
JohnBT
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"America's shotgun?"
Crescent hardware store guns. Many millions sold starting well before 1900, they were cheap, disposable and are of no collector interest. Yet people ask about them all of the time.
They were throwaway long before we became a throwaway society.
John
Crescent hardware store guns. Many millions sold starting well before 1900, they were cheap, disposable and are of no collector interest. Yet people ask about them all of the time.
They were throwaway long before we became a throwaway society.
John
MrDig
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I'm rooting for the Mossberg 500 but the Remington will probably win due to sales volume. These days I would certainly buy the Mossberg over the 870 due to Manufacturing quality but then again Mossberg introduced the "chainsaw" thingy that is atrocious.
"America's Shotgun?
The Pump Gun.
Invented here, perfected here, used here by millions of people. Used successfully for everything a shotgun can be used for.
Make and model are individual choices."
Absolutely correct Dave, and I would add that the Winchester Model 12 IS the gold standard.
The Pump Gun.
Invented here, perfected here, used here by millions of people. Used successfully for everything a shotgun can be used for.
Make and model are individual choices."
Absolutely correct Dave, and I would add that the Winchester Model 12 IS the gold standard.
AJumbo
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The Model 1897; all blue steel and walnut, dual safety system (a half-cock notch and some upper brain function), and like many of the other fine arms listed here, a flash of genius from the fertile mind of John M. Browning.
I think John had to have been the greatest perfector in early repeater development. He's credited with many wonderful designs from yesteryear. Thing about it though John was much more of an perfector than he was a designer. He took proven or promising designs and made them better...or rather perfected them. Yes i know he indeed had some of his own.
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The pump gun is the American classic. Brand doesn't matter but with mossberg/mavericks and remingtons leading the pack.
Coach guns get an honorable mention from the cowboy movies.
Coach guns get an honorable mention from the cowboy movies.
loose noose
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Man so many fine guns yet so little time, reckon I'll go with the model 12, however the Remington model 11 (AKA Browning Auto 5) is a very close 2nd. Simply cause I own both, never had a Remington Model 870, and I've got over 100 firearms in my collection as of today.
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I am going with the more general, more inclusive, response
proposed by Dave McC....the pump gun, an American invention. It really is the best response.
The brand doesn't matter....if you have seen one and used one, then you know 99% of what you need to know to use the others. Qualitatively.....they just aren't that much different. I own an Ithaca m37 (hunting), an old Mossberg 500 (30" FC, Trap) and a Benelli Nova (20 gauge). No 870..... just have no need for another pump gun.
Pete
I am going with the more general, more inclusive, response
proposed by Dave McC....the pump gun, an American invention. It really is the best response.
The brand doesn't matter....if you have seen one and used one, then you know 99% of what you need to know to use the others. Qualitatively.....they just aren't that much different. I own an Ithaca m37 (hunting), an old Mossberg 500 (30" FC, Trap) and a Benelli Nova (20 gauge). No 870..... just have no need for another pump gun.
Pete
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Skribs - I will correct my statement - Makes one a MORE KNOWLEGABLE gun owner.
So often any time a this -v- that thread comes ups guys just defend the model they own or prefer with no substance to back up why. They have never been inside the other models and seen the individual componets or understand how they are work in conjuction with each other. They can not explain how these machines funtion and how one design is superior to the other. They just know what they have and most often can only say they like the location of the disconect or safety on this model over that.
So once one gets inside these weapons and understands them. They then become "MORE KNOWLEDGABLE" and will then understand why the 870 is the number one selling shotgun in the USA and therefor is "America's Shotgun".
Even though my business is the Remington 870 it is not by favorite. Mine is the 37 in 20ga as I grew up with it. However, the 870 is my choice for fighting. It is the 1911 of shotguns.
So often any time a this -v- that thread comes ups guys just defend the model they own or prefer with no substance to back up why. They have never been inside the other models and seen the individual componets or understand how they are work in conjuction with each other. They can not explain how these machines funtion and how one design is superior to the other. They just know what they have and most often can only say they like the location of the disconect or safety on this model over that.
So once one gets inside these weapons and understands them. They then become "MORE KNOWLEDGABLE" and will then understand why the 870 is the number one selling shotgun in the USA and therefor is "America's Shotgun".
Even though my business is the Remington 870 it is not by favorite. Mine is the 37 in 20ga as I grew up with it. However, the 870 is my choice for fighting. It is the 1911 of shotguns.
Scrumbag
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Well, I know the A5 was built in Belgium but it is quintessentially American in a lot of people's view. And designed by none other than John Moses himself...
Not a popular opinion but one with which I fully agree. IMO, Browning's greatest achiement was the tilt-barrel locking system for semi-automatic pistols. It was ground breaking and remains in use to this day.
But much of his other work was built on concepts and designs already established by others.
dcarch
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The 870 gets my vote.
MCgunner
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Probably a pump. America's tastes change, but the pump is the most common afield, at least in the marshes where I duck and goose hunt. Lots of autos out there, though, as they are a might easier on the shoulder with heavy steel loads.
The 870 might outnumber all other pumps and, thus, could get the tag, but I prefer several other firearms to the 870 (and I owned a wingmaster) for what I do. Number one is the Browning BPS, but I don't own one. I do own a couple of poor man's BPSs, similar ergos and very lefty friendly, the Mossberg pumps. Ithacas are fantastic shotguns with very smooth actions and lighter than the Browning, but I like the tang safety of the Browning. The Mossbergs are light enough and work for me on my budget, have for a lot of years.
Anyway, I'll concede that the 870 is more popular and pumps, in general, own the outdoors in America as well as the tacticool crowd. Clays shooters might argue, but they are vastly outnumbered by hunters and tacticool shooters. Clay shooting is a niche market.
The 870 might outnumber all other pumps and, thus, could get the tag, but I prefer several other firearms to the 870 (and I owned a wingmaster) for what I do. Number one is the Browning BPS, but I don't own one. I do own a couple of poor man's BPSs, similar ergos and very lefty friendly, the Mossberg pumps. Ithacas are fantastic shotguns with very smooth actions and lighter than the Browning, but I like the tang safety of the Browning. The Mossbergs are light enough and work for me on my budget, have for a lot of years.
Anyway, I'll concede that the 870 is more popular and pumps, in general, own the outdoors in America as well as the tacticool crowd. Clays shooters might argue, but they are vastly outnumbered by hunters and tacticool shooters. Clay shooting is a niche market.
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