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ammo for my "chief special" 1972

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by foreste, Feb 16, 2011.

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  1. foreste

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    Hello friends, I´ve 1972 "chief special" S&W 36

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    I have two options for carry:

    1) winchester bonded pdx 130 gr +p
    2) winchester white box personal defense 125 gr +p.

    Which of them has less recoil for this snubbie?

    PD: This ammo is only for personal defense, for practice I used normal pressure 158 gr swc
     
  2. madcratebuilder

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    I would use what you practice with, the 158 gr swc.
     
  3. foreste

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    Now I am using the 158 gr semiwadcutter non +p


    The recoil is hard with the 158 sw, I imagine that with +p (125 gr/130gr) the recoil is more hardest, but is supposed they are better defensive loads...
     
  4. Guillermo

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    hopefully we all live and learn

    When I was a young-un I would make fun of my father, Chief of the city I grew up in. He would usually carry a 4 inch Diamondback with a 148-158 grain flat nose bullet.

    Being a 45 guy I talked about how under-gunned he was.

    Having read dozens and dozens of ballistics tests I now see the logic of a heavier bullet that "gets in there" to the vitals. A big wound channel is nice but not as important as getting a major organ.

    So to your question, I would suggest a bullet that does not weigh under 148 grain and as hot of a round as you shoot well.

    +Ps are medium pressure rounds but be read up on any +P+ before you buy them as there is no industry standard.

    please remember that it is ALL about shot placement.
     
  5. foreste

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    Then you recommend continue with my 158 gr semiwadcutter normal pressure?
     
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    If you shoot the gun well with a low pressure round...stick with it.

    If you are just as good with a medium pressure round (+P) I would definitely step up.

    Basically my opinion is summed up in the statement "shoot the most powerful gun/ammo combo that you can shoot well"

    I won't carry a gun that I can't put 5 rounds into a pie place at 10 yards in about 3 seconds. Because of that I am carting a heavy 38 special "snub" it a 2.5 inch barrel. I would never carry a LCP 357. I just don't shoot a heavy, powerful snub well enough.

    YMMV
     
  7. GRIZ22

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    Which of them has less recoil for this snubbie?

    The only way you'd be able to measure the recoil difference between these two loads is in a lab with precision instruments. I doubt it would be less than the 158 SWC (due to the +P).

    Count me as another vote for the std pressure 158 SWC. I use the RP factory load in J frames and it one of the most accurate rounds I've ever fired.

    You may want to try 148 factory wadcutters as a SD load. That's what I usually carry in the gun with the RP SWC for a reload. No difference in point of impact.
     
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    Why??

    In the unlikely event you have to shoot someone, I doubt that they, an emergency room surgeon, or the medical examiner will know the difference.

    This would be true in any case, but it’s especially so when your revolver has a barrel length slightly under 2 inches.

    While you’re worried about the slight difference between several .38 Special loads, others are successfully defending themselves with smaller caliber handguns. The difference between success and failure mostly depends on hitting and disabling a vital organ. Forget about the ammunition and work to improve your marksmanship…
     
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    I carry the 158grSWCHP +P in my 1973 bodyguard . It was a effective load in the old days and still is today.
     
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    The Remington 38S12 is their 158-gr. LSWC-HP 'plus-P' round. However, given the adjustments to SAAMI 38 Special, that means that the current 'plus-P' is less pressure than what it was for the 1973 chief.

    Georgia Arms makes an excellent reload clone of this round. Both the Rem factory round and the Georgia Arms clone run just at, or a hair under, 800 fps from the CS 2" barrel. So, shoot this one, IMO. If it feels a touch hard now, a bit of practice will get your hand conditioned and you'll be able to shoot it just fine.

    Jim H.
     
  11. foreste

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    Thank you very much for all his answers, where I live only find the ammunitions round nose 158 gr, semiwadcutter 158gr, and the two +p winchester 125 and 130... according to the comments I believe that it is better to continue with the 158 swc non +p... because I can´t find here 158 +p
     
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    absolutely. In that case, stay with the 158 SWC.

    Jim H.
     
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    the regular pressure ammo back then was about the same pressure as the +P of today.

    Do NOT fall for the marketing hype.
     
  15. Harley Quinn

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    I have to think the "pressures" of 38 spl in days of old, and now, compared to +P of now are different :confused: one is 17,000 the other is 20,000...

    The manufactures may have dropped some under it, to save for various reasons, less powder per shell adds up to money saved :)...

    But specs are still the same:scrutiny: Which were established long ago...

    Granted it is very low and why reloading can be useful, but:uhoh: It is not the gun to be shooting a lot of higher pressure loads, is it acceptable to jack them up even further??? Well, if you are into handling them and coming up with good groups and are use to it...:) Check to see how the revolver is handling it, maybe it will handle it better than the shooter;)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Special

     
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    This is a good read also...

    http://www.snubnose.info/docs/Model_36.htm

     
  18. Guillermo

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    The article mentioned in post #17 is filled with falsehoods and misrepresentations. It is only to be read for entertainment value.

    Here are some examples

    this is total bullsqueeze. +P is the same as standard ammo when it was made.

    While technically true...those rounds didn't exist. MUCH HOTTER rounds did. (example 38-44 or Super Vel)

    If this were true it would mean that those guns were not safe to shoot with the standard rounds of the day. Of course this is totally ridiculous.

    To some people, facts don't matter. You will notice that the numbskull that wrote that article has no facts whatsoever. Just refeeding pablum to the victims of marketing that are under the false impression that +P is a high pressure round. It is not.
     
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    With a 2" barrel you will get better terminal ballistic results with standard 148gr target wadcutters. Winchester is the brand I prefer. Your gun, ears and hand will thank you. AND, you might actually shoot them often enough to hit your intended target.

    Contrary to popular belief the shoulder on a semi-wadcutter doesn't touch anything in flesh or jello. The front of the bullet makes a "bow wave" that directs the material away from the shoulder. This is not my opinion. It has been demonstrated.
     
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    I use either Buffalo Bore 158gr LSWCHP Non +P or Federal Nyclad 125gr HP. Whatever shoots best in the individual weapon.
     
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    I have one myself (1974) and the 158 gr. swc work just fine.
     
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    I carry the Federal 158gr. LSWC-HP +P "FBI" load in my Model 36. It's accurate and easy to control with decent grips.
     
  23. Harley Quinn

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    Guillermo,
    Standard ammo for the 38 has a rating of 17,000 the + P 20,000...So even in days of old 17,000 was the limit (safety wise) for those who did produce it...:confused:

    Here is another thread about the 38 special ammo some use...

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=574848

    As I have mentioned it is a low pressure round and can be souped up some by reloading... But most makers of it have stuck with the pressure rating set up by those who make the regulations...


    http://www.saami.org/
    I'll add 20,000 is only 3000 more than 17000, but if you look at it correct that is almost, not quite... 20% more:what: In reloading 10% can be KABOOM;)

    I doubt that will happen in a low pressure round with the weapon mentioned...
    Wanting to add this link information to loading the 38 spl below...

    http://www.reloadammo.com/38loads.htm

    Super Vel was a 110 grain bullet, similar to 9mm loading, but at a low pressure compared to 9mm...38 std is 17000, 9mm is 35000 (that is twice times) :uhoh:

    List of Saami info...

    http://www.handloads.com/misc/saami.htm

    Hope this clears up an misunderstanding about specs and pressure manufactures stick with...

    The Chief can handle it some, but not as an every shoot situation...:evil:
    :)
     
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    Maybe the new release of the Nyclad?
     
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    a few facts

     
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