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Ammo Prices, Still More Data

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ArfinGreebly, Jul 23, 2007.

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  1. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

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    An interesting tidbit showed up in this post on NoisyRoom.net (wifey's blog).

    The article is, in general, about the strategic and tactical state of things in Israel. Within the article is this fragment of data:
    So it would seem that, in addition to the demands made on suppliers by our own military, we are also routing some (or perhaps a lot of) ammo -- the more popular military calibres -- to Israel.

    I found some .223 today at Sportsman's Warehouse in Reno. The Black Hills was $21/50 (yikes!) and the Federal was $70/200. I hate the price, but I went ahead and picked up a couple of the 200-count boxes.

    All four Wally World stores that I shop are completely out of .223, and my local True Value (who usually have at least Olympic) had sold all their Rem, Oly, and even their Wolf at $9/20.

    Well, heck.

    Next week, Wally World should have some more $58/200 in stock. If I'm REALLY quick I might pick up some of that.

    All you reloaders out their can just wipe that smirk.

    I'll be reloading before another year passes.

    Meantime, I'll suffer with the common folk.
    Oh, word from three places I visited is that we have at least two more price hikes in the pipeline for this calendar year.
     
  2. DMK

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    :rolleyes: Why don't we just annex Israel as another state and be done with it. They get almost as much aid and support as illegal immigrants do.
     
  3. Onmilo

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    I have always held reason that the US should give the Israeli's Arizona and give the fabled "Holy Land" back to the Palastinians.
    The climate and terrain is similar and they will continue to have annoying neighbors on their borders. (California and Mexico.)
     
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    I saw a Walmart with $51/ 200 boxes the other day (and bought a couple of course since they were so cheap... *ack!*). They don't sell guns at that particular Walmart. So you might try the Walmarts that don't sell guns is what I am saying...
     
  6. jlbraun

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    OK, I'm pro-Israel, and that is freakin' hilarious. :D
     
  7. 40SW

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    There is alot of speculation about the continuing rise of ammunition prices, some say its the cost of brass, others blame it on the continuing war effort in the Middle East Theater of operations, others have conspiracy theories about ammo going to Israel for the final battle of the apocalypse, and I have heard everything under the sun, one thing remains a rational constant, RELOAD!!!!!!, heck, I reload .38spcl, .357MAG, .40SW, and .45ACP. Even though Wally World is roughly $15 for a box of 115gr Winchester 9mm 100pack bulk, I even know some folks who are reloading 9mm now. Not so much the expense, but the fun of it. Regardless of what happens with ammo prices, etc, I say for those of you who don't reload, go for it. , learn how to reload and have fun + save money.
     
  8. El Tejon

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    Why does Israel need our ammo? Cannot they make their own???:confused:
     
  9. Pushrod

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    Not to hijack this thread, but any good recommendations on reloading books for beginners?
     
  10. trueblue1776

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    You guys need to buy mail order ammo, I'm still paying $200/1000 of Zinc plated Barnaul .223. AIM still has brass/boxer/reloadable Aguila at $14.95/50

    $9 for a 20pk of Wolf? :barf:
     
  11. Eightball

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    In the extremely small amount of land that is Isreal, I am positive that an ammunition production facility would be one of the first targets of rocket attacks, suicide bombs, etc. So, I would assume that, for all intents and purposes, no, they don't make their own.
     
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    Israel does make their own ammo, US buys surplus from them every once and a while. Which makes for an interesting situation when shooting at Muslims with it. The US military usually just uses Israeli ammunition stateside to avoid getting Israel into trouble.

    I have qualified with IMI ammunition.
     
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    "Not to hijack this thread, but any good recommendations on reloading books for beginners?"

    Great reloading subforum here, please visit it, also the NRA has great courses and literature for beginers on metallic cartridge reloading.
    Also, Visit RCBS, LEE, Hornady, and Lyman. Do a google search on all four.
    All four have great literature on reloading, getting started, manuals, etc,etc. .
     
  14. Black Adder LXX

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    That is really funny!!!
     
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    Not a bad idea, really. Now all you have to do is convince the current crop of Arizonans that live there. :D
     
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    Lyman and Speer's manuals are what I depend on.

    The Handloading subforum here has some helpful stickied threads on getting started (because the same questions get asked, over and over and over and over.).

    Interesting data point. I've been doing what I can to simplify and stock up.

    Buy more than you shoot.
     
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    7.62x39 is $34 for 200...

    I thought the point of buying .223 and .308 was so that in the event of an ammo shortage you would at least be able to get ammo whereas the dumb saps with non-US military calibers would be SOL.

    :neener:
     
  18. Sam Adams

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    Israel does make ammo, and some mighty fine stuff at that. Ever shoot WWB Q3131A? That stuff is made in Israel to US spec, and in my experience it has better brass and better accuracy than Q3131. Of course, Israel is apparently stocking up also, as I haven't seen any IMI or Samson for a LONG time, and anyone with Israeli components out there is working on what's in stock (check out Widener's-nothing .308, .223 or .45 in forever).

    We also have some HUGE stocks of weapons and ammo pre-positioned in Israel, and I suspect that we're adding to it. We can either use it ourselves or "lend" it to Israel, depending on what is in our interest.

    War's coming to that part of the world, and we and the Israelis are getting ready.
     
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    Now that you mention it . .wasn't CZZ headstamped .45 acp from IMI as well? I haven't seen that in a LOOOONNNNG time.
     
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    Sounds like you're describing the same failed UN social experiment that occurred in 1948 over there.

    At the time we owned half of Europe, why we just _had_ to drop the jews into a territory they hadn't possessed for nearly 1500 years and expect those who DID live there to play nice?
     
  21. hotpig

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    Keep in mind that ammo is a world wide commodity. Winchester is a local company and they make ammo that goes all over the world.

    Actually they just laid off 75 people in the brass mill after they finished making Mexican coins and our new 1.00 coin.
     
  22. Lashlarue

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    Funny, Israel has been building nukes since before 1967, and they have kept their locations a secret, I believe a munitions plant would be easier to hide.
     
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    I didn't think a thread examining ammo prices would turn into some exercise in Israeli bashing. How about you lock this thing?
     
  24. kellyj00

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    that's what happens when you tell good hard working American's that our ammo prices are going up because it's going overseas to folks who aren't American. We're paying more and they're getting it for free.

    We're at war. I wonder if anyone has told the government.

    I wouldn't feel so bad about the ammo shortage if the government was the one stockpiling it for future use in the fight for freedom.
     
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    If we were hard up enough to suspend sales of ammo to friendly governments civilian sales would also stop.




    Hiding ammo manufacturing is not easy unless you are talking small time production. I have lived my whole life around Winchester and Alcan.

    Alcan is very small but still it is well known under that name. They are operating under another name making government stuff now.
     
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