Ammo recall - Winchester 9mm Luger 115 FMJ and JHP

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Winchester has determined the above lots of 9mm Luger 115 FMJ and JHP ammunition may contain propellant that does not properly ignite and burn when the cartridge is fired. Ammunition containing propellant that does not properly ignite and burn may result in a bullet remaining in the barrel (i.e., a bullet-in-bore obstruction). Firing a subsequent bullet into the bore obstruction could cause firearm damage, rendering the firearm inoperable and subjecting the shooter and bystanders to a risk of serious personal injury.
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I Had one 200 round range pack box in the recall. You have to answer several questions first to get the label to send it back, and then another time for them to send you the replacement. I already have my four 50 round replacement boxes from them.
 
Yeah I saw that on another forum too ... I love my SIGs. He had some personal pictures from one of his boxes and man were those some jacked-up rounds.

But overall I've had good luck with the White Box stuff and have shot literally 10s of 1000s of rounds of the 9mm 115.

Someone really dropped the ball, apparently they failed to QC the ammo coming off the line and somewhere in the merry go round one of those seating dies apparently was way off.
 
With this Win. "White Box", has it gotten even More unreliable that it was around three-four years ago?

Am glad that I have more Wolf (very reliable) than White Box.

My main question is why Winchester ever marketed the "Forged" 9mm brand with its weird "functions".
 
So what happens when you bulge a barrel on say a minty, matching artillery luger?
 
Olin Corporation owns the Winchester trademark and licenses it to FN Herstal for use on guns. FN Herstal owns the Browning trademark, and I suspect that some or all Browning ammunition is produced by Olin. If you are using inexpensive ammunition in an expensive gun, you may get an expensive lesson. It can be argued that a squib or bullet-in-bore obstruction will sound and possibly recoil differently than standard ammo, and should trigger further inspection before firing.
 
I find it "interesting" that the proposed ban on Russian ammo coincides with recall on domestic ammo. Sounds to me almost like intell school "text book" moves towards defacto gun control.

Talk about turning steel cased ammo into gold.
 
vintovka said:
I find it "interesting" that the proposed ban on Russian ammo coincides with recall on domestic ammo. Sounds to me almost like intell school "text book" moves towards defacto gun control.

Talk about turning steel cased ammo into gold.
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Things always tend to "coincide". If you can't control the guns, control what the guns shoot until it doesn't matter. This is why reloading is more and more going to become the last resort.
 
vintovka said:
I find it "interesting" that the proposed ban on Russian ammo coincides with recall on domestic ammo. Sounds to me almost like intell school "text book" moves towards defacto gun control.

Talk about turning steel cased ammo into gold.
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What's even more funny is I posted this recall back in july and it was a recall way before that. It has absolutly nothing to do with the russian ammo ban but hey, keep pushing the fear mongering conspiracies.
 
Man, I gotta pay more attention. I just bought, and ran through 200 rounds of white box the other day. Could have been bad...
 
So in one of the advance intel classes at Lowry AFB (long gone). Instructors emphasized the "weaponizing" the enemies fear/distrust of his own arms. So next time your about to drop the hammer on a round will you think about the recall and warnings?
 
I bought and shot a whole box of Winchester "white box" last week. Didn't check the lot number, either, since it was bought at the range and all shot off at the range during the same visit. I think that the main take-away from such a product recall is what the product defect actually is and what its potential consequences might be. Since the consequence of this defect is a possible squib load, and since good shooting practice demands the shooter pay attention to the possibility of a squib load anyway, I didn't really feel many qualms about shooting it without checking the lot number first. A squib load isn't that hard to detect: it sounds "off", it feels "off", heck it even smells "off", and as final proof - there's no new hole in the target, so did you actually miss the whole paper, or is something wrong with the gun? Something is wrong: stop now!! Get your dang finger off the trigger and figure it out first!!
 
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I think I may have gotten into a few boxes of these. Failure to feed, failure to eject, stove piping. They have been segregated into a large plastic planters peanut jar. I no longer have the boxes and the bulletin only referenced box markings, are there no shell case marking? While they provided the experience of clearing real life jams I didn't consider a bullet-in-bore obstruction. I doubt many people do.
vintovka said:
I find it "interesting" that the proposed ban on Russian ammo coincides with recall on domestic ammo. Sounds to me almost like intell school "text book" moves towards defacto gun control.
Talk about turning steel cased ammo into gold.
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I never had an issue with steel cased ammo. In fact an area I used to shoot ended up littered with empty steel cases. I liked the fact that they are biodegradable. Had they been brass they would still be there. Now I am sure they are motley spots of rust on the ground.
Since russian steel cased ammo is quickly no longer becoming available I considered if there was a lost cost chinese alternative (which there isn't)
Where I live due to the current ammo shortage it has become noticeably quieter on weekends.
Regarding the defacto gun control issue. While policies with unknown long term objectives are moving quickly enough to concern and upset people those same unknown polices are not moving quickly enough to outrage people.
I am going to miss Wolf ammo and soon to be $500 a case for Lake City ammo seems outrageous to me. People are no longer target practicing on their properties so the pinch is widespread.
 
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