Ammoman x39 prices. They only sell if people buy accept scalping.

[ugaarguy]

I emailed wolf...this is what they wrote me back;


I wrote

___________________________________________________
I would kindly request to know if there is a real shortage of 7.62 x 39, and
what are the future shipments of this ammo into the USA before January.

Thanks So Much Guys!

-***


____________________________________________________


Dear ***,

There is no shortage of this ammunition. Shipments have and will remain
consistent.

Sincerely,

WOLF Ammunition


_____________________________________________________

That's honestly what was responded to my question.

Supply remaining consistent in the face of increasing demand equates to price increase. This is Econ 101 folks. Look up supply and demand curves.

 

[nathan]

Wait till we pull out of Iraq in years time. AMmo prices will go down as more surplus comes our way.

 

[Gun Slinger]

Funny...nobody likes the idea of price escalation (call it "scalping" or "gouging" if you want) when the cost affects their pocket book.

However, I suspect that if those doing all the whining and complaining were in the same business they would be doing the very same thing. The point of running a business is to make as much in the way of profit as is possible and there is nothing "un-American" about it. Being mad at businesses for being successful, even in these difficult economic times, is not only absurd but it is also what being a Socialist is all about.

I'm in the business and I haven't raised prices. The increase in volume is good enough for me. Most of these places raising prices were overpriced to begin with.
You know what, people aren't so stupid, at least not gun buyers so I would expect them to shop elsewhere.
I don't think people think that way and that's certainly NOT what socialism is all about.

BZZZZZTT !!!! Wrong answer!! But thanks for playing !

Actually, it is exactly what Socialism is all about.

Check out the "Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx when you get the chance.

Price control is one of the instruments that Marxists, Communists and Socialists wish to employ in order to institute a "classless society". In a Socialist society, regardless of what your line of work is, everyone makes the same amount of money. From brain surgeons to janitors to teachers, no one earns more than anyone else in such a system and the Socialist doctrine mandates the control of commodities and merchandise pricing in order to ensure the mechanics and viability of such a restricted system.

It is nice that you have elected to keep your prices as they were prior to the election. Such activity serves to keep the market competitive. While people are generally pretty smart about things, the desire to generate the greatest profit possible is not a bad thing and thinking "that way" is what motivates business people to advance themselves and their businesses the way that they should.

 

[Speedo66]

Basic rules of economics:

1-supply and demand

2-buy low, sell high

Any questions?

 

[Tacbandit]

Quote by james rogers:
"My right is to choose not buy from them and help them get away with it."


+1, james.......With ya on that one...Hey, you don't like it, but you keep on
buying from him, at his prices. Free enterprise is one thing, and I know all
about "Supply and Demand", but it gets ridiculous after awhile....

 

[Tacbandit]

Speedo, you posted while I was typing, and you're right...But those who are fed up...you've got two choices...(1)stop buying...(2)stop fussing

 

[1 old 0311]

I started buying, and shooting, 7.62x39 in the late 80's for $99 per 1000. Guess what? Like food, cars, clothes, gas, and energy bills EVERYTHING GOES HIGHER.

Wow I figured that out and I didn't even graduate from Warton Business School.

 

[hags]

Gun Slinger,



Dude, being mad at businesses for doing well is what socialism is all about?

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT yourself and spare me your lectures.

Being mad is an emotional state of mind, nothing more nothing less.

Being mad at businesses, as you state is not even the basis of or reason for socialism.

Socialism and Communism are two different forms of government.

Check out a Civics class when you get a chance, of course who knows what they're teaching nowadays.

Socialism is where you spend $800 billion taxpayer dollars to bail out mismanaged and fraudulent corporations under the guise of the "public welfare".

 

[Gun Slinger]

Dude, being mad at businesses for doing well is what socialism is all about?

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT yourself and spare me your lectures.

Being mad is an emotional state of mind, nothing more nothing less.

Being mad at businesses, as you state is not even the basis of or reason for socialism.

Socialism and Communism are two different forms of government.

Check out a Civics class when you get a chance, of course who knows what they're teaching nowadays.

Socialism is where you spend $800 billion taxpayer dollars to bail out mismanaged and fraudulent corporations under the guise of the "public welfare".

Lighten up, Francis.

 

[benzy2]

I'm in the business and I haven't raised prices. The increase in volume is good enough for me. Most of these places raising prices were overpriced to begin with.
You know what, people aren't so stupid, at least not gun buyers so I would expect them to shop elsewhere.
I don't think people think that way and that's certainly NOT what socialism is all about.

This is the type of place I want to buy from. While I totally understand the short term business practice of raising prices when fear strikes I think it is a terrible long term approach. It clearly states you have no concern for the customer. I know people go into business to make themselves a buck but when it is my dollar I want to feel like the store has a little bit of interest in me. I don't expect it from the big internet guys but when the local guy plays huge off of fear it is like a slap in the face. The local guy has always been at a price disadvantage. When you not only tell me the price is high, but that you are raising it more to prey on fear going around I don't particularly appreciate it. I guess don't bitch to me when your store goes under because you pissed your customers off is the real point. I would love to give my money, even if it means a bit of a premium, to a shop that shows at least a little interest in keeping customers happy. That makes up a lot of price difference personally.

I don't dislike the system for allowing companies to raise prices like they have. I appreciate it. It is the same thing that keeps prices low the rest of the time. I just don't appreciate the way some businesses feel they can treat people without long run repercussions but I guess that is left to be seen. A couple local stores I shop at didn't raise prices and I will continue to buy from them. A few did raise prices and I won't be stopping in them anymore. I think it is a great system as it lets them do what they want and me do what I want.

 

[ugaarguy]

This is the type of place I want to buy from. While I totally understand the short term business practice of raising prices when fear strikes I think it is a terrible long term approach. It clearly states you have no concern for the customer.

So when a business can only get half the quantity of product they normally get from their suppliers and the customer demand for it is higher they should keep the price the same? Who cares what caused the increased demand? Increased demand is increased demand. Try being in an independently owned shop trying to get 5.56/.223 or 7.62x39 ammo when every other independently owned shop is trying to get the same ammo from the same suppliers.

 

[benzy2]

So when a business can only get half the quantity of product they normally get from their suppliers and the customer demand for it is higher they should keep the price the same? Who cares what caused the increased demand? Increased demand is increased demand. Try being in an independently owned shop trying to get 5.56/.223 or 7.62x39 ammo when every other independently owned shop is trying to get the same ammo from the same suppliers.

Obviously some companies either were willing to live with only selling half what they ordered at regular prices or they prepared. Either way it ended up where I didn't feel like I was being taken advantage of due to the mass panic. I care what caused the price increase. I could understand if the report was either that the supplier price was going up or that the supply was drying up. Those aren't the cases. The situation is that a quick panic sent the masses to the market. I understand getting what you can when business is good. The point is if you are willing to abuse me when things look bad for me I am going to abuse you when things look bad for you. I'm not going to give a **** if you go under and I am going to either stop buying from you totally or I am going to wait until your prices have gone dirt cheap. If you want to be just out for yourself that's fine but I'm going to be just out for me. If you want to give a break to the customer when things go rough for them I am willing to spend a bit extra to help you out the rest of the time, even if it means in the end I spend more.

 

[FMJMIKE]

I am just buying and shooting .22lr from now on......F**K the ammo thieves...

 

[Gun Slinger]

benzy2,

I agree with what you are saying. I kinda think that you may be confusing "customer service" with the effect that demand has upon price structure regardless of what drives that increased demand.

While it is nice to have the feeling that a particular business concern values you as a customer, the laws of supply and demand still dictate cost in terms of demand and availability and there is no getting around that.

Ugaarguy makes a valid point...

So when a business can only get half the quantity of product they normally get from their suppliers and the customer demand for it is higher they should keep the price the same? Who cares what caused the increased demand? Increased demand is increased demand. Try being in an independently owned shop trying to get 5.56/.223 or 7.62x39 ammo when every other independently owned shop is trying to get the same ammo from the same suppliers.

Even those local businesses in your hometown that you have developed a "relationship" with are subject to the (emotionally driven) market forces at work and eventually they will find it necessary to replenish their inventory at the new pricing level despite their wishes not to do so. This occurs because the distributors see (eventually, usually quickly) that demand is up and regardless of what drives the demand, supply is not infinite and therefore prices increase.

Even though he's all pissed off at me right now, hags place is the type of place that I'd like make purchases from, too. That he is satisfied with the increased proceeds from the increase in volume alone is to his credit and that makes him a nice guy for doing that, but rest assured that as supply diminishes and demand increases he'll eventually be forced to increase his prices, too, despite his desire not to. He either complies with market forces or he doesn't get ammunition and I doubt that he is foolish enough to sell his inventory at a loss.

As soon as people calm down and if they stop buying prices should drop... (notice I said "should" )

 

[daorhgih]

It's simple Capitalism

"Whatever the traffic will bear." Translation:"Whatever the fools will pay." But I don't buy from gougers, so maybe they'll reform. Cheap--Dirt 7.62 price jumped 25% three weeks! That's gouging! But gasoline DROPPED 25-cents in two weeks. What's THAT! At the Indy-500 Gun Show I bought 11 jerry-cans of steel-core FMJ 7.62 just before the ban on it several yrs ago. $20.00 per can, about 40-pounds. I don't know the round-count, but it's close to 60~70. Sure wish I could do THAT again.!! Whenever we get blizzard warnings around here the stores sell out of bread and milk. They don't raise prices....they just sell it all and there is no more! Whaddya do then? Follow somebody home? And rob them ?! Semper Paratus, BeBe!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

You know what, people aren't so stupid, at least not gun buyers so I would expect them to shop elsewhere.

This has to be the most naive statement I have read in a while.

Supply remaining consistent in the face of increasing demand equates to price increase. This is Econ 101 folks. Look up supply and demand curves.

It also results in "shortages." If demand goes up and supply remains consistent, then there will be the shortage in the consumer end of the market.

In case some of y'all have missed it, there are apparently a goodly number of shortages occurring in the ammo world, apparently a post election spike as gun owners are stockpiling.

There may be no actual shortage of ammo (as it is being stored in private hands), but there is a shortage available for sale relative to demand and some dealers are capitalizing on this. They are capitalists. Interesting concept.

 

[james rogers]

voting no with my billfold

Every time I buy AMMO for my .280 0r 45/70 and esp when I buy winchester 12 gauge 3 inch sabot slugs I simply hate what I have to shell out for them.

Sure I still buy them when I need them, but I only buy 1 box at a time. I am not very thrilled about buying ammo for my 7.7 Jap or 7.65 mauser either, although Ive noticed online there are a few more choices lately,

My 222, 303 british, 30/06, 30/40 krag and 270 have all gone up but I can still find a deal on a few of those sometimes. Wallyworlds around here don't seem to like carrying any of the the odd ammo.

Most of the time when I pay too much for ammo, its on odd stuff and its because I walk in someplace and they have it in stock. Kind of like going to 7-11... you pay more for convenience.

Even there I draw the line, Ill never be willing to pay the asking price for Norma ammo.

Funny though I really do like Hornaday and don't feel bad about paying more for it, but is it really any better than Core Lokt for my 50 to 100 yard deer hunt? I seriously doubt it.

All of this makes me consider reloading and I would reload if I were shooting 10 times more than I am.

I paid 2.99 a box for 7.63x39 last week at Academy. When I get a deal like that it helps average out having to buy some of that other high priced ammo.

The truth is..most of the time I simply vote no with my billfold when I don't like the price.

 

[fishinbill85]

they may not immediately reinstate the AWB...BUT, I have a feeling that they might try to slide in one of those left wing/dirty liberal ideas and just say,"If we can't take their rights away....why not just TAX, TAX, TAX!!!!" A 500 to 1000 pct tax on all ammo and firearms purchases is not out of the realm of possibility from these "people".... just my 2 cents... I hope I am wrong.

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

Let me get this right, most people here are saying that raising the prices when demand goes up is ok for the business to do and everybody deserves to make a good living from there business. I guess thats called capitalism right. Would all these same people call raising the prices at a gas station 50% or more after a hurricane the same thing, I think not. When people raise their prices in the face of a panic situation its called gouging. Just shop around and dont panic thats what these crooks are counting on. I just bought some 223 from natchez for the same price it was a few weeks ago.

 

[piratelooking@40]

Funny how quickly so-called "conservatives" turn into socialists when capitalism hurts their own wallets.

No freaking kidding.

Socialism and Communism are two different forms of government.

Socialism isn't a form of government, it's an economic system. You can have a democracy which practices socialism, or an autocracy which does. We have both on the planet, right now.

I will sheepishly admit that I've done a bit of panic buying, myself. I haven't paid any panic-inflated prices, though. I bought a suppressor, and some magazines. I've already got more ammo than I have storage space for, but I may buy some more, if I can get it at normal prices (which means stupidly high, but not further inflated by fear of something which may or may not happen, prices.)

 

[Gun Slinger]

Socialism isn't a form of government, it's an economic system.

I am glad that somebody understands the difference. I was beginning to feel as if I was speaking over everyone's heads in addition to "pissing off" at least one.

 

[piratelooking@40]

Yeah, you can't just take a civics class. You have to pay attention.

 

[Gun Slinger]

Let me get this right, most people here are saying that raising the prices when demand goes up is ok for the business to do and everybody deserves to make a good living from there business. I guess thats called capitalism right. Would all these same people call raising the prices at a gas station 50% or more after a hurricane the same thing, I think not. When people raise their prices in the face of a panic situation its called gouging. Just shop around and dont panic thats what these crooks are counting on.

George,

Yep, that is what is being said here for the most part. When supply remains the same (or diminishes) and demand increases for whatever reason, prices increase. If businesses raise their prices after a calamity or some sort of unrest that is just part of how a Capitalist economy works. It ain't pretty and it ain't nice, that's just how it is.

No one is "holding a gun" (I know, bad pun. Sorry. ) to anyone's head with the so-called "panic buying" that we see occurring in regards to firearms purchases. Any threat that would reasonably effect our ability to purchase firearms, magazines and ammunition posed by the Obama Administration is better'n two and a half months in the offing and even though the Dems have openly declared their intentions to "ram" several pieces of legislation through (and probably down the American publics' throat) it'll take considerable time to do so, yet we have artificially induced price increases as a result of emotionally driven "panic buying" prior to the threat's (B.O.) assumption of the Office. Hopefully, folks'll simmer down a mite touch and allow the manufacturers time to "catch up" production-wise, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to occur either.

The last sentence of your quote above is probably the best, wisest advice that we could follow and the "antidote" to the gouging that you so detest.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Anyone familiar with the dealing they did in ARFCOM. There was a thread over there today. Real eye opener.

 

[Girodin]

Expecting a business to NOT get every cent of profit they can from every single transaction they can is a socialist (or communist, you pick) core idea.

I'm going to try to keep this high road but it seems you missed the OPs point entirely and I advise you re-read his post. His premise is totally in line with basic ideas of capitalism ie supply and demand. He is making an argument to cut the demand which would in turn cut the the prices, which are inflated as a result of a recent increase in demand.

Letting the market dictate prices and rational comsumers, ie someone who takes their business elsewhere to find the lowest price, are core elements of capitalism.

Your jump to socialist ideology is pretty asinine and has little basis. It also shows a lack of proper understanding of what socialism actually is.