Among the reasons for no concealed carry in areas?

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In parts of the country it is difficult to get a concealed carry permit. Could one of the various reasons be the bureaucrats don't want a person who's life is on the line to shoot the bad guy? In other words, they just don't want a person to shoot another even if justified? Even if the bad guy is among the dregs of society?
 
An altruistic justification would be a step up from their actual reasoning.

I believe they cater to a crowd who can't think two moves ahead simply to stay elected. No concern about the ultimate moral implications, unless of course, their life is threatened.
 
Some people actually believe that if you take all of the sharp and dangerous things out of the playground, nobody will get hurt. Feeling that an injury to a bad guy is just another act of violence. There is another group that feels that it is morally superior to be an unarmed victim of a crime, no matter what the bad guy has planned, than to defend yourself with force.
 
I suppose there are those who may believe that one should never take another's life for any reason, even if the bad guy doesn't subscribe to this belief. I think it is just the mindset that they don't trust that one is able to make a proper decision to save oneself in a stressful situation. Therefore we are more of a danger to society as a whole if we have guns available.
 
Feeling that an injury to a bad guy is just another act of violence.
I think this is what the average anti-gun person on the street thinks. This is the "more guns are not the solution" crowd who sees self defense on the same level as being a vigilante, and someone with a CCW as a cop wannabe "carrying one in the chamber just looking for someone to shoot".

These are the people who think it's the government's job to keep us safe. Unfortunately a very common if nieve sentiment.
 
In parts of the country it is difficult to get a concealed carry permit. Could one of the various reasons be the bureaucrats don't want a person who's life is on the line to shoot the bad guy? In other words, they just don't want a person to shoot another even if justified? Even if the bad guy is among the dregs of society?

I think you're giving those bureaucrats too much credit. I believe it's not a question of ethics or morals (if so they would care more about the victims of crimes, rather than criminals). They simply don't believe in 2nd amendment freedoms like the rest of us do.
 
I think you're giving those bureaucrats too much credit. I believe it's not a question of ethics or morals (if so they would care more about the victims of crimes, rather than criminals). They simply don't believe in 2nd amendment freedoms like the rest of us do.
There certainly are the elitists. Folks like George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Hillary Clinton, etc, feel that we peons, the unwashed masses, the irresponsible, cannot be trusted to make important decisions or be in control of our own lives.

We must be micromanaged for the good of all.
 
That is interesting. Though it seems that some of the rules are nearly as convoluted as the NFA. :(


Justified killing: intruder in the home[edit]
As described in the Torah, the ancient understanding of the prohibition of murder made an exception for legitimate self-defense. A home defender who struck and killed a thief caught in the act of breaking in at night was not guilty of bloodshed. “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed.”[31]

A man's house is his castle, and God's law, as well as man's, sets a guard upon it; he that assaults it does so at his peril.

— Matthew Henry’s Commentary on Exodus 22[citation needed]
 
Feeling that an injury to a bad guy is just another act of violence. There is another group that feels that it is morally superior to be an unarmed victim of a crime, no matter what the bad guy has planned, than to defend yourself with force.
Back in the good old days of mid 60's finnish legislation stated that a person who initiates an action that would constitute a felony, loses all his rights (while committing the crime). Additionally, any response to a crime being committed had to be in reasonable proportion. In my opinion that was by far and wide the fairest consequence and legal repercussion of taking up oneself to intentionally break the law. Muggers, rapists, robbers and armed burglars were actually getting shot.

Then came late 60's, left wing movement and the idea of utter irresponsibility of one's actions. The idea of crime being just a disease that can be cured. The same utter bs we're still hearing today from lefty politicians, trying to disarm the intended victims of their most loyal voter base. I wish this was only a joke.
 
Far more common is the thinking that people are generally stupid and cannot be trusted with guns (or knives or the pointy scissors). As soon as the AI-driving cars become available at "regular" car prices, they'll want that to be mandatory, too.
 
They just don't want a person to have a firearm in the first place. They don't trust you to allow you to carry one either.
Relax. The government will look after you. Unless you want to eat and live inside.
'Thou shalt not kill' is a mistranslation from the King James bible completed in 1611. Said translation was required by Royal Edict to conform to structure of the Church of England. Should read Thou shalt not murder. Or else.
 
Remember that most bureaucrats are just doing a job, they don't make the rules, they just get to enforce them, whether they agree with said rule or not. Yes, yes, you can make the argument that if you didn't agree with it, you could go get another job. Sometimes, yes, sometimes no, but it is never that simple. Besides, wouldn't you rather deal with someone who is sympathetic to your view than someone who is laughing with glee behind your back as they crush your dreams? In my experience, most bureaucrats are a decent reflection of the general population, i.e. if your city, county, state, etc. are mostly pro-gun, the bureaucrats are too, though certain backgrounds and personality types will obviously gravitate toward certain jobs. I hate to admit it sometimes, but I should know, I have been a bureaucrat, or worked closely with them, for a dozen years.
There are, of course, bureaucrats that DO make rules, but they are generally hidden behind so many layers of red tape that you never know their names and have no way of contacting them or influencing them, unless you get a lower bureaucrat to help you cut through the tape.
Now, politicians on the other hand, I am convinced nearly all of them just say whatever their staff thinks will get them elected, regardless of what they think personally think.
 
Having lived in California for 54 years, I believe that the reason it's practically impossible to get a carry license on the coast (with the exception of a few less-populated counties) is that the politicians that are in charge hate guns, hate gun owners and hate the NRA. And that's as deep as the logic or justification goes.
 
Right on, Ks5shooter! These same blankity blanks that want to deny us our right to bear arms are mostly protected by people with firearms. Just like the sorry congressmen that enforced Obama Care on us. They made themselves exempt from it. How nice. Limit congressmen to 2, 4 year terms. Everyone working (or living) in government should be subject to exact same laws as we the people. I bet that would change a few tunes!
 
It almost seems the politicians urge to be elected is like lust.
Like pretty much every other person who works for a living, politicians want to keep their jobs. And part of a politician's job is representing the interests of the people who elected him. When he stops satisfying enough folks to keep him in office he'll be out of work.
 
Criminals don't have a disease. They're of bad character.
You're absolutely right about this. All collectivist political philosophies are based on an assumption that people are the same. Like no-one would willingly, by their own choice and discretion would intentionally commit a crime, rather being driven to do it because of "circumstances", so no-one should be held accountable for their actions. The fact that some people knowingly and intentionally steal, rape and kill is alien to collectivist philosophy. When that happens media is flooded with apologists' excuses like broken home, desparate financial situation, "rape culture" and the most common one, mental issues, while in reality the perpetrator is just evil, chose to commit the crime and enjoyed the heck out of doing it.

The exact same orwellian principle works both ways: because individuals can't be held responsible for their actions, they also can't be trusted with items that can and will reduce their dependency on the government, firearms being the first one of them on any list. In a collectivist society no-one can be more trustworthy than anyone else either.

Gun rights in general and CCW permits in particular are a good litmus test to gauge how a politician or a bureaucrat sees the society as a whole. I recommend exercising extreme prejudice towards any elected or non-elected public servant or a group that acts to limit gun rights in any shape or form. Because that won't be by far the only civil right their ideology is hellbent on taking away from citizens. History has proven this fact time and time again.
 
Gun rights in general and CCW permits in particular are a good litmus test to gauge how a politician or a bureaucrat sees the society as a whole. I recommend exercising extreme prejudice towards any elected or non-elected public servant or a group that acts to limit gun rights in any shape or form. Because that won't be by far the only civil right their ideology is hellbent on taking away from citizens. History has proven this fact time and time again.
Very true. Look closely at any any politician or bureaucrat pushing a gun control agenda. It is about control not safety.

Now I believe most (though certainly not all) anti-gun voters are duped by the rhetoric and honestly have a fear that if someone has a gun, they are a danger to everyone around them. But that's because most people don't want to take the slightest effort to even be aware of their surroundings, much less take proactive steps to deal with any kind of emergency.

The main stream media is the one I don't get. It's obvious that they have an agenda to disarm all citizens and make them victims. It's obvious that they cherry pick stories, use creative editing and alternative facts. What I don't get is why. Either it's due to the personal agendas of the rich and powerful, or they really do want to profit off the violence. Either way it seems like too big a conspiracy in an institution make of of people who like to look for conspiracy. Can all the journalists of AP, Rueters, etc be that brainwashed?
 
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Now I believe most (though certainly not all) anti-gun voters are duped by the rhetoric and honestly have a fear that if someone has a gun, they are a danger to everyone around them.
In essence, the same people don't react adversely to government officials like police officers or military personnel having firearms, hence they're systematically conditioned to associate an action and a behavioral pattern to an object and exempt everyone representing the government. There's absolutely no logic and very rarely any supporting personal experience to justify these beliefs. They're manufactured by repeating implications by blanket statements; commonly known as propaganda.

As a clinical hypnotherapist I know intimately how to [honk] with people's minds and how belief systems can be engineered on a population level, especially when the individuals have no first-hand experience of the subject at hand. It's very scary how easily a perceived correlation and fake implication of causality can be used to brainwash large groups of people. On top of all, the actual causality between legal gun ownership and violent crime is strongly negative.
 
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Bureaucrats who push for gun control nearly always use the the word "safety" in their talking points. Sometimes "common sense" gets thrown in. The thought being people will favor safety and common sense, and many uninformed people do.
The fact is they care only about the governments power and control over the people. Gun control is essential to this goal. Restricting the right to carry is a step toward the goal.
Specifically to the OP's question; No, they do not care about a persons ability to protect thier own life. They use violent crime deaths of innocent people to push for even more control.
 
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