An alternative to the Anti-Gun GOOGLE!

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To kill popups under Mozilla:

Under Edit-> Preferences, open the Advanced branch, then select Scripts and Plugins. Then, unselect most if not all of these Javascript options, particularly "open unrequested windows".

n.b. this may kill some functionality at some fancy schmancy websites.

First post on new board....wheee
 
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The Opera browser lets you kill pop-ups or turn them into "pop unders". I think its available for most OS's. Good privacy features, faster than blazes, lots of handy keyboard and mouse "gesture" shortcuts. "Skinnable" and "buttonable" too.

Caveat: "free" version uses a banner ad - I paid to lose it.

Anybody else here running Opera?
 
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Anybody else here running Opera?

Yep. Registered user of 6, using beta of 7 at the moment (mostly windows, though I also run 6 on Linux). I like the keyboard shortcuts, and the search window in the address bar, and the standards compliance, and the easy ability to override site styles and popups and on and on. Yep.
 
Not to change the subject or anything, but...

An alternative to the Anti-Gun GOOGLE!

So in what ways is Google anti-gun? I find gun stuff through them all the time -- which may actually be the best way to get the message across to them.

I'd guess they don't take paid gun ads as one item on your complaint list; is that right? What else?
 
Ferrets are illegal in California?? What's with that bit of stupidity? Oh, and on the subject of popup-killers, there is one out there called NoPop. Avoid it like the plague. it's a popup-killer version of Banzai Buddy and Gator. It gets into everything and makes you insane!
 
How is Google anti-gun?

Google makes it money by selling advertising space and selling the top spots in each search (you can figure that most of the web sites that show up on the first page or two when you do a search pay for those slots).

They refuse to sell ad space to anyone doing business remotely related to firearms.
 
How about these?

Google search for winchester. First three hits are winchester guns or ammo. Sponsored link is "Winchester on ebay (gun related).

Same with Remington. Even a search under "marlin" gives firearms first; could have been the fish.

I'll stay with them.
 
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Google doesn't sell rankings

Originally posted by Zundfolge
Google makes it money by selling advertising space and selling the top spots in each search (you can figure that most of the web sites that show up on the first page or two when you do a search pay for those slots).

They refuse to sell ad space to anyone doing business remotely related to firearms.

The middle part of this is definitely not true. Google will not sell search placement under any circumstances, and say so quite openly. The sell "premium sponsorships" and "adwords", but neither of these look like results, and are carefully prevented from mimicing results. (Specific statement about not selling results ranking is at http://www.google.com/technology/index.html).

The last bit, refusing to sell ad space, I believe is probably right (my firearms searches don't have relevant ads displayed next to them that I can recall), but do you have a place where they state that as policy?
 
chatlie d, those are not ads for gun companies, those are adds for ebay.

Results of Google search on Sony notice you see the ads on the right? Google won't accept those from gunnies.
 
dd-b, does it matter if it's a part of their written policy? The fact that they won't accept them, but don't have the fortitude to admit it speaks volumes about their character.
 
Hi Triad,

I was responding to Zundfolge's post in which he said:

"They refuse to sell ad space to anyone doing business remotely related to firearms."
 
Ah, I see. Zundfolge does have a point though. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Google hadn't pulled ads placed by a company that didn't sell guns, but sold related items.
 
Originally posted by Triad
dd-b, does it matter if it's a part of their written policy? The fact that they won't accept them, but don't have the fortitude to admit it speaks volumes about their character.

Yes, it matters whether it's part of their public policy, precisely for the reason you give in your next sentence.

Although "character" isn't the attribute of theirs I would impugn with this decision. Actually, it's a sign of their strong character that they're willing to stand up to the extremely noisy pressure the firearms lobby tends to bring to bear on people like that. Strength of character does not correlate well with agreement on values!

Seriously, it's rhetorically much better if you can point to formal policy against firearms ads, if it's there. If it's not there, you make do with what you can of course.

Here's their guideline page on acceptable ad content https://adwords.google.com/select/guidelines.html, and it doesn't say anything about acceptable and unacceptable types of business. It does talk about accepting sexually-explicit ads (and not displaying them to people with "safe search" set).

Is it possible that people simply haven't taken out such ads with Google? Has anybody tried to place an ad and been refused? It'd be tragic to get them pissed off at the gun community if it turns out they've done nothing against us. We could turn them against us by spreading a false rumor.

Would somebody from the staff like to try buying some keywords on google and see what happens? If they're blocked the experiment will cost nothing, and if they're just unsold then the experiment can be pretty cheap. Although I'm unemployed at the moment, I'd be willing to make the experiment myself if I had permission. (buy keywords pointing to this forum).
 
Originally posted by Triad
Ah, I see. Zundfolge does have a point though. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Google hadn't pulled ads placed by a company that didn't sell guns, but sold related items.

Am I watching the evolution of an urban legend, or is there being information exchanged on the topic outside this thread? Your message is the first one in the thread that mentions adds being "pulled". You treat it as an assumed part of the background, but it hasn't been mentioned before.

Is it true? How do we know it is true?

I'm not so much trying to defend Google as I'm trying to get the facts of this case nailed down conclusively. If we're going to make a fuss at Google, which would be appropriate if they have anti-firearms policies, we ought to have good reasons for believing that they're anti-firearms. The relative absence of paid ads for firearms is suggestive, but is not by itself conclusive.
 
I've gone as far as picking keywords and creating an ad. Their advice tool clearly understands that gun terms are associated with guns, and was happy to advise me on terms to buy. I'm stopping short of clicking the actual "sign me up" button -- I'm not authorized to buy ads for thehighroad.org, and I don't have my own firearms web pages to advertise.

This is by no means conslusive yet of course, but if *I* were going to block certain kinds of business, *I* would block buying the keywords.

One thing in their agreement is that the product advertised has to be legal in the location where the ad is displayed (you pick at the country level). This may discourage some of the gun ads, since local laws are so varied. This would affect advertising THR, since *discussing* firearms is legal throughout the US.
 
Wow the forum is open less than two days and I already have a new Mozilla tip. Thanks mons meg.

I'll also second the vote for Copernic. It can be real handy for finding obscure info.
 
Originally posted by Calamity Jane
George, thanks for recommending WiseNut. I've used it several times already and like what I see very much. :)

I just tried it myself. Quick response on searches. Got 120 hits on "Oleg Volk". They even have an Oleg category, sort of like Northern Light breaks theirs into subheadings.
 
gun-fucious, that's a good article on Google. Helps me understand the controversy they stir here. First, and from other posts here Second Amendment rights issues for sure.

Will be interesting to see how their stance changes if/when they go public. Hard to understand what part is altruism, what part is pre-positioning for an IPO.

Raises enough doubt with me that I'll be looking at alternatives.
 
Originally posted by Triad
dd-b, try these.

Thanks, I read the three TFL threads you pointed me to. That gives at least two definite cases of gun ads being bounced, which seems pretty clear. (I still want to see *which* policy they violate). I've also emailed them asking what their policy is, presumably I'll get about the same message back.

Queries they can't sell ads on are not the nicest thing one can do to google, so I'm not sure drastic responses are really necessary. But the fact that they are turning down ads from legal (in fact, federally licensed often!) businesses is very interesting.
 
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