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An argument for the German model of hunting

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by daniel craig, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. daniel craig

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    Farmers and landowner partner with hunters because they have quotas to meet. On year a farmer could be mandated to kill 60 deer that year and if he can’t do it himself has to invite hunters to hunt the land so that the quota can be filled.

    Usually people get together as hunting parties and make a weekend out of it and there’s often a warden there (all the deer have to be inspected after kill too).

    Almost no land is allowed to go unhunted too.
     
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  2. George P

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    Bet they don't have as many ambulance-chasing attorneys looking to sue for some minor thing like we do. Major issue in this country would be liability. Where I could see it really be helpful is on feral hog control/eradication
     
  3. daniel craig

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    Liability is also why it’s significantly harder to get a license in Germany.
     
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    How does that work with private land owners?
     
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  5. daniel craig

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    This included private land owners. From what I gather from my German friends, private land owners with a certain amount of acreage also have quotas that have to be filled based on the deer population in their area, they can hunt it, lease it out to a hunter or let a big hunting party come in with a ranger, but the quota has to be filled. Obviously it’s a bit more complex than that but that’s how it was explained to me.
     
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    The lack of public land in most of Europe forces a different approach. There are some programs here that encourage land owners to let hunters access their land. But I just don't see that approach working here.
     
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    What happens if a private land owner does not meet his quota?
     
  8. daniel craig

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    I could if they were given tax breaks per hunter they allowed during the season
     
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  9. daniel craig

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    That I’m uncertain of but how it was explained to me was that it’s usually through fines but that there are other things that can be done too.
     
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    Ouch, I guess my initial reaction as a landowner that is managing a modest parcel of land for hunting/wildlife and a person of libertarian bent that would be sort of hard to accept.
     
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    I have driven a lot around Germany. Last visit was Bavaria in January. Last trip before that was August 2019. In lots of fields you see deer stands and in some places stands with overlapping fields of fire. Most are two stories high and look pretty nice.
     
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  12. Fine Figure of a Man

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    I'm one of those tax paying private land owners. Germany can do what it's citizens will tolerate, this is The United States of America. I will decide who hunts my ground and who doesn't without "help" from the government.
     
  13. daniel craig

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    They take their stands pretty seriously!

    I can’t wait to go back! I love Bavaria in the winter
     
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    Whereas the German model is more, you might own the land but you don’t own the animals on the land and they need management for the good of the population and the people.
     
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    You're putting it mildly. Such a Socialist system would be the end of private land ownership in this country as we know it.

    Under American law no one, including the police, has an unlimited right to enter my property, aside from me. I say who, when, how long, and for what purposes.

    Anti-hunters don't necessarily have great feelings for animals. They just don't like hunters. Between timbering and overgrazing, it would be easy to manage a property in such a way that there isn't anything to hunt. Worse comes to worst, it'd be development.

    I doubt you're seeing very many, if any, people of modest means being able to hunt under this German system.
     
  16. daniel craig

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    No problem, just get some friends together to help you meet that quota, which might be small enough for you to do on your own based on the population size in your area.
     
  17. George P

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    Except for the Western states, many east of the Rockies also have a lack of public land for hunting. I had previously posted a few boar hunting videos that were shot in Europe. There, while the hunting method differs (driven style) and the meat is sold to restaurants, the land hunted is private. I think a Euro-style driven boar or deer hunt would be an interesting thing to introduce Americans to.
     
  18. Fine Figure of a Man

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    Our federal and state governments continuously attempt to subvert the rights of land owners. Taxation and the EPA are their tools of choice. "Waters of the USA" is a recent example.
    "For the good of the people" sounds like Karl Marx to me.
    Any land owners here like the idea?
     
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    Yes I am being mild, as I could see this becoming very contentious. I am trying to keep and open mind but agree with much of your concerns.

    I do have extended family and a few friends that do have permission to hunt the property. The problem that I, and no doubt a fair number of Americans, will have is the idea that the government is going to tell me how to manage my own land. That is not going to sit well with many of us.
     
  20. daniel craig

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    True. But I guess I’m in the minority in that I see deer in NY as more than just a commodity on my land but as a pool as a whole that needs to be managed. Since I can’t have data from the whole state it would be nice if the state said to me, ‘look mate we need you to take 8 deer off your property this season, we don’t care who you need to invite as long as they had a license. And if you don’t you get a grace period next year but if you fail that year too we’re going to have to charge per deer you failed to harvest.’ I’d honestly be ok with that. Especially if it means fewer ‘kill and leave’ nuisance permits have to be issued.
     
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    State laws differ but in Florida Game Wardens are law enforcement officers and have the right to enter private property and even your house if they suspect the law has been broken. This actually allows them to "fish" for violations regardless of whether they have any evidence. All they have to do if confronted is to claim someone gave them a tip.

    My SIL works at the prison and says that LEOs sometimes get game wardens to go into a place first because the LEOs don't have a warrant.
     
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  22. George P

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    And why many drug search teams bring a game warden along
     
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    I respect thoughts but do you accept government payments for said land.
     
  24. mcb

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    I agree with the idea that deer (wildlife in general) are a commodity owned by the government and I purchase the privilege to hunt with my hunting license (that is another can of worms only tangentially related here). So I have less of an issue with the raw quota/limit on a harvest as they are trying to manage their commodity, but the idea that the government says that I have to do something on my private land whether I want to or not is a problem for me.
     
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  25. Fine Figure of a Man

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    No
     
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