an interesting discovery about my school

[KiltedClaymore]

through reading as many threads as i can (meaning the ones that catch my interest), it seems to be the general consensus that public schools and public school teachers are anti-gun. For the majority of public schools, i would have to say thats pretty accurate. Until afew days ago, i would have thrown my school in with the anti gun majority due to it being located in the urban monster called Phoenix . What i mean to say is: even though arizona is a very pro-gun state, with anti-gun residents/sentiments resembling an "endangered species" in demographics, it seems like the anti-gun population increases as the city and it's resemblance to LA (in all the wrong ways) grows. My opinion changed after learning that three teachers at my school own guns (one hunts, one target shoots, one OC's outside school), and three others are ex-military (one was Army, the other two were Navy, one of which was a Seal). plus, one of the gun owning teachers is related to the owner of Cold Steel (Lynn Thompson is his uncle). While i definitively know (having enjoyed many casual conversations on guns/knives/outdoor recreation) that the first three out of six previously-mentioned teachers own guns, it makes me wonder how many teachers at my school (both teachers i know/have/have had and teachers i've never met/heard of) enjoy guns. Although i may never know how many teachers own firearms, its cool to find out that not every public school/public shool teacher is anti-gun.


any teachers/students/school administrators care to add/share thoughts, stories, general comments?


kinda interesting that the ex-military teachers don't own guns (they might, i know at least one of them doesn't)

 

[green country shooter]

I'm a college teacher. Depending on where you are in the country, and whether you are rural or urban, there will be some gun owners among the teachers. But education is run by antis, and you have to be a little discreet or they will make your life miserable. My boss thinks that not even police officers should have guns. I am not making that up!

When CCW for college students and staff was proposed here, many of the antis were shocked that anyone was in favor of it. They assumed everyone was against it.

That's the first step, and that's about all we could accomplish, letting them know that some of their well-educated fellow teachers wanted to carry guns on campus. You could almost see their heads exploding.

 

[Pilgrim]

My boss thinks that not even police officers should have guns. I am not making that up!

When I worked for the Sheriff, I was also adjunct faculty at the community college.

While I was out and about on my duties, I sometimes would stop at the college to check on my mail, drop off items for duplication, and pick up print jobs. After the Columbine shooting, a bunch of office weenies complained they were frightened and said I should leave my pistol in my car.

Pilgrim

 

[BruceRDucer]

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That's pretty cool Kilted.

Are you referring to an elementary or high school or other?

 

[JCMAG]

I only know of one professor at my university who is pro-gun.

When Charlton Heston died, my boss--the director of academic counseling--said: "Good." :

*sigh*

For an essay for my French class we were to describe what we did this previous summer. I mentioned Heller in my essay and I didn't get a very positive from the instructor the next day.

An education does not indicate intelligence...

 

[bhk]

I am a retired mid-west middle school principal (retired about 5 years ago). Most of the teachers in my building either were gun owners or had spouses who were. Several were active hunters and almost all believed in the right to own firearms. My office had wildlife art on the walls and some gun related stuff around the room.

My interest in hunting was well known and hunting discussions were often an important 'ice-breakbreaker' in what might have been very difficult parent conferences. Our district just hired a new superintendent. In the local newspaper, he stated he had an 'open door' policy to community members and parents and would especially enjoy visiting with those who liked to hunt.

I think schools often reflect the local culture. If you, as a hunter/shooter, are in the minority - you will probably find the same balance in your schools.

 

[James T Thomas]

epluribus ultimatum

Education is run by the antis. It sure is!

-American Federation of Teachers, National Education Association and
the Dept. of Edu. in our federal government!

These bodies, "busy bodies" have been infiltrated by those who are obcessed to control the masses; they know what is best for us all, and we are going to get it in spite of government by the people.

I had several friends that are educators, that through my life time have discussed this with me and they were very aware of comrad and his scheming.

The antis are aware of the "sleepers" in their midst too, and will do every thing possible to get rid of them, incuding the dirty tricks, outright lies, and making people's lives miserable.

You should get some posts here by such people who will stand up and oppose the indoctrination of our children by persons from this fifth column.

I have watched the direction of our nation the last few decades and how cleverly the scheme for social pressure for conformity especially by someone becoming ostracized has been woven into the minds of the school age young people, until now it goes almost unrecognized. They cannot even open their mouths -not in objection, but even in questioning. Whew.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

that was quite a rant there Thomas, need some water after that?

remember: BREATHE!

Are you referring to an elementary or high school or other?

high school. im a senior, so college is looming like a freight train in the not-so-distant future. in fact, my english teacher (one of them actualy. taking two english courses this year, one for fun and one for AP credit) suggested i use a favorite/special hunting trip(one that really stands out in my mind) as the basis for my college entrance essay with the thesis idea of conveying what event(s) took place that made it special/deeply affect my life to the reader(s). funny, how two of the three gun owning teachers i know teach english. If the pen is mightier than the sword, is the gun mightier than the pen?

 

[TCB in TN]

We have 46 on faculty at the elementary school I teach at. I KNOW of more than 20 who own guns (either the teacher or husband), and as a matter of fact took a trip today to a conference with a young lady (23) who now teaches 8th grade math and she is about to get her carry permit. I know a couple of the women teachers who shoot trap/skeet regularly, and a couple of others who hunt some. Each time the subject of an "active shooter" comes up most of the comments are that we should be permitted to be armed if we feel comfortable to do so.

 

[James T Thomas]

perspective

Kilted:

Yes, I know it was a rant. That happens in older age; you are not as "tolerant" of things as you once were. And you become more aware of people being devious, I might add.

It is just that I'm painfully aware of the tremendous sacrifice that some people have made for our nation, I cannot and will not forget them, and when I see this socialism going on in the greatest nation on the face of the earth, then I do get, "breathing hard."

I'll go get a good glass of Pgh. water like you suggest. It's good water here.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

That happens in older age; you are not as "tolerant" of things as you once were.

oh i know exactly what you mean Thomas. im pretty well known by peers/teachers as a person who holds strong opinions about everything. when my ideals/opinions/ideas/therorys are challenged, i gladly argue/debate with said challenger. if the debate/argument becomes too heated or lasts long enough to exhaust the intelectual ammunition of both parties, ranting (or cursing ) seems to be the common result. yea...i do alot of ranting...

 

[brolin_1911a1]

I live in a Missouri Ozarks community with a strong pro-firearms, pro-hunting heritage. I know for a fact, because I know him and his father personally, that the local high school principle is a 3rd degree black belt, a concealed carry firearms instructor, and an avid successful deer and turkey hunter during both firearms and archery seasons.

The high school principal's father is the pastor of a local Baptist church. As a CCW instructor himself, he's announced from the pulpit that any CCW permit holders are more than welcome, in fact they are invited, to carry while attending his church. One of the church members runs http://www.blackopsschoolofcombat.com and many of the local school teachers have attended, encouraged by the high school principal.

It's a nice place to live.

 

[Wheeler44]

it seems to be the general consensus that public schools and public school teachers are anti-gun. For the majority of public schools, i would have to say thats pretty accurate.

Pretty hard to say for sure unless you've actually been to the majority of public schools. That would be an incredible feat. Schools here are somewhat more tolerant than schools elsewhere seem to be, but since I haven't been to many schools elsewhere, it's kinda hard to say for sure. Heck I haven't been to school for quite a few years except parent teacher conferences and teaching orienteering.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

wheeler, i was talking about the gun board folks. thats a pretty wide spectrum of people, and a large slice of that spectrum is people with kids. that means they meet the teachers at PTA and schoolboard meeting, hear stuff from their kids, ect. alot of those parents that post seem to say the public school system is kind of anti gun. heck, i got railroaded (more like blackballed) out of a public school waay back in 3rd grade for talking about target shooting on the playground. we weren't allowed to play cops and robbers or shoot eachother with finger guns (heaven forbid jimmy shoots johnny with his FINGERS!:banghead:) as the generations before us had. then again, this was either right before or right after the columbine shootings so everyone was "sensitized". what a load of

 

[Kind of Blued]

With much respect I say this: I've come to the conclusion that you have some very interesting things to say, however, every time I open any thread (not just yours) in which the original post consists of a giant brick of letters, I sigh and think "Man, that looks like a lot of work (to read)."

For my sake, please seperate thoughts into paragraphs and designate new thoughts by capitalizing the first letter of each sentence.

I REALLY want to read it! I hope you take that the right way.

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Ok, I read it, and I'm curious; How did you go about finding that your teachers were into firearms? I have an inkling that a couple of my professors are into shooting, but it's hard to tell. Half of them are or were in Law Enforcement, so that's one side of the coin, but the only one who mentioned firearms in class was the uber-leftist professor.

She mentioned that one of the main reasons gang violence has risen in the last ten years is due to the production of more powerful handguns. I immediately imagined a drive-by shooting and a hoodlum with a $1,000 .500 S&W Magnum... this did not compute.

At this point I said, "Wait, where did you get that information?"

"A book", she said, to which I replied:

"Do you know who the author of this book cited as the source for this statement?"

"How would I know that?" is all I got. I had hoped that others around me would be interested in the idea that they may very well be listening to fallacies, but I let it slide, and lost some respect for the professor.

 

[qajaq59]

When Charlton Heston died, my boss--the director of academic counseling--said: "Good."

I doubt that Heston would have said something that crass if your director's wife has died. But then Heston was a gentleman and your director obviously isn't.

 

[Auburn1992]

One of my teachers owns a couple guns (only to target shoot), but he is an Obama man

 

[IN>IL]

I am a college professor in Indiana. I teach classes on death investigation and firearms forensics, in fact, I was hired to teach these two courses exclusively. This is why they brought me here!

Now that I am here, the school admin can't understand why I want firearms, bullets and firearms components on school property. I had to fight just to bring bullets and spent brass on campus because the admin didn't want to send the wrong signal. If it were up to the bosses, I would simply teach firearms forensics with photos and PowerPoint.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

For my sake, please seperate thoughts into paragraphs and designate new thoughts by capitalizing the first letter of each sentence.

Sorry, i'll work on that. I kinda get on a roll when i start writing and it snowballs.

I'm curious; How did you go about finding that your teachers were into firearms? I have an inkling that a couple of my professors are into shooting, but it's hard to tell.

I just brought up the topic of guns in normal conversation through the second ammendment. I said that the government was too big and is begining to restrict personal rights and liberties, when they asked "i agree, how so?", i simply said "gun control".

they seem to like intelectual debates.

 

[cavman]

(one hunts, one target shoots, one OC's outside school), and three others are ex-military (one was Army, the other two were Navy, one of which was a Seal).

any chance they would be willing to take it one step farther and help with setting up a Target Pistol or Rifle club?

 

[Robby]

Over the last three weekends, I have been part of a group at gunshows who are working on a petition to allow carry in schools and on campus, by CCW's.

Take the fact that these were gun shows, so not many anti gun there. We had more teachers, who came by signed our petition, and took blanks back to get others to sign. We had returning military students, with CCW who wanted to be able to carry concealed on campus (yeah, their over 21, big time).

The gun owners, and those who want to be allowed to carry on school grounds, and college campus's is more than the anti's would like to think about.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

any chance they would be willing to take it one step farther and help with setting up a Target Pistol or Rifle club?

no idea. i'll ask monday. too bad im graduating before it could get set up

 

[VegasOPM]

Heck I remember schools setting up rifle teams, and holding gun shows on weekends... and I'm only 38. Of course, that was a rural school.

 

[mikitsubizunizu]

Marksmanship classes would be nice to see again, never know when the class might be of use

 

[espanola]

Retired high school teacher, coach and high school principal. Spent my career in eastern Oregon and rural middle Tennessee. Both places I've been were nearly entirely pro-gun; or at least apathetic towards them. Many, many of the teachers were gun owners, hunters.
We had trap teams at one of the schools, and at the other, a rifle team.
Of course, lots of hunting, particularly in eastern Oregon. Guns in the gun racks in the school parking lot, at least until it was outlawed. Then, I suspect, many of them were simply behind the truck seats!