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An Invitation to Germany.

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Roebuck, Aug 12, 2007.

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  1. Roebuck

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    The Internet is an amazing thing. It allows hunters and firearms enthusiasts across the world to communicate as easily as if they were next door to each other. I like to browse several sets of forums and I was browsing though a U.K. deer stalking site when I came across a message posted by a Dutch hunter. He did not join the forum but posted as a guest. He asked if there was anyone on the forum who would sell him some deer stalking in Scotland or England or perhaps trade for some wild boar hunting in Germany. Now I already enjoy wild boar hunting in Germany and I am fortunate enough to have some red and roe deer hunting land in Scotland, so I could understand why a Dutch guy, who lives in a country where hunting is very much restricted, would want to hunt the Scottish Red Deer. There was just something about the post, and I cannot say what, that made me post my E-mail address with an invitation to contact me.

    He did and we exchanged some information about our respective interests. Marcel is a High School Principal with a passion for hunting. He has hunted roe deer, wild boar, chamois in Europe and caribou, in Iceland. He is fluent in German as well as in English and other than his small area for hunting in the East of Holland he mainly hunts in Germany, just to the South of Berlin.

    Suffice it to say, we got on well enough by E-mail for me to subscribe to SKYPE, and through SKYPE’S free voice calls over the Internet, we started to have weekly conversations. Being cautious as one should be, my buddy Iain, who with two other buddies shares my deer lease, thought we should go and meet our new Dutch friend and his German friend, who would come to Scotland with him.

    We drove over to Holland and met with Marcel. We got on just fine. He showed us his hunting ground and introduced us to his friend Benny, who manages a country estate. Benny is an African plains game hunter and seeing his trophy room was a real experience. As well as African game, he has hunted pronghorns and bison in the USA and collected himself some great trophies, including bear from Lithuania.

    A further drive to Berlin and we met up with Andreas and Dieter, Marcel’s German hunting buddies and both as keen hunters as the rest of us. We did go out for a hunt one morning but alas, no wild boars were about. We did lend a hand with some high seat repairs though. But hunting was not the reason for the visit. Seeing if we all got along was the purpose. Well, we did and Iain and I left with an invitation to return to Germany on 30 April, to attend a little party, prior to the start of the roebuck season on 1 May.

    Tradition says that the hunters of the district meet up on the afternoon of the 30 April at the hunting lodge, bringing food, beer, schnapps etc. and have a party. This party lasts till everyone is tired and goes off to their cars to sleep. Before first light we are off to the hunt. Iain and I did return for that party and it was nothing short of terrific. We enjoyed wonderful food, beer and hospitality. A real “Jager” welcome from each and every hunter there.

    Party Starts.

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    The Hunting Lodge.

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    Horn Players practice.

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    Dieter starts to cook.

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    It got dark.

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    Horn Players salute the quarry species and the hunt.

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    The three cooking fires. I eventually tripped over the one on the right!!

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    I was lucky enough to shoot a small roe buck that morning but Iain was not so lucky. Mind you, his luck was to change the next night,

    Roebuck’s roebuck.

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    After the hunt, all the hunters whose party we were with, joined up with other parties from the surrounding district, where lunch was served and the assembled group was addressed by senior members of the “Hegesring” or district hunting association. Each successful hunter was presented with a sprig of evergreen, to be worn in his hat for the rest of that day.

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    Dieter presents Roebuck with his evergreen sprig.

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    Centre is a retired US Army Vet who never made it back to the USA.

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    Such is the hospitality, that two of the hunters, Mathias and his wife Sacha, invited us to their land to shoot a pig by moonlight. That was when Iain’s luck turned. He shot a nice sow.

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    Dieter toasts Iain’s pig.

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    The following night, Mathias and Sacha threw a bar-b-que for us, prior to going out for another moonlight hunt.

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    At this bar-b-que, Dieter presented Iain with a cured pigskin, signed by all present. For once Iain was speechless.

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    We went to visit Ketners, the famous German gun store chain (now owned by a Belgian). Here is a shot of the famous Berlin Wall.

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    Marcel got a roebuck the morning we left to return home.

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    Despite language barriers, hunters the world over seem to be able to communicate and get on with each other. For the most part anyway. I felt privileged to have been a part of that hunt and thank Saint Hubertus for this and all the other wonderful hunts I have been blessed to take part in.

    Marcel, Andreas and Dieter are currently in Iceland hunting caribou. Andreas and Marcel will join Iain and me to hunt red deer and roe deer in October this year.

    Roebuck.
     
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  2. JohnBT

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    Thank you! What a pleasant surprise to find on a Sunday morning. I nominate you for the best post, and pics, of the year.

    I have to admit it still throws me for a second when I see statements like "We drove over to Holland"
    I need to go ahead and retire and travel more.

    Thanks again for taking the time to post.

    John
     
  3. armoredman

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    Very cool! Sometimes the Internet IS worth all the hassle and pop ups. Beautiful areas, thanks for the pics.
     
  4. phantomak47

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    Roebuck,

    Keep this stories coming, I really enjoy them!! Have you hunted in the states yet?
     
  5. MSarge

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    Very enjoyable post and pictures. Thanks.
     
  6. H&Hhunter

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    That is brilliant view into German hunting culture. THANK YOU!!

    Roebuck,

    Tell us about your O/U rifle or was it a drilling you were shooting. Also what were some of the other rifles and calibers used?

    I also love all of the different dogs in the pictures.

    Neat,really really neat.:)
     
  7. Art Eatman

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    Truly fine! Thank you!

    Art
     
  8. emerson

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    What a truly wonderful exerience. Thank you for sharing.
     
  9. alucard0822

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    good food, good hunting and lifelong friends are universallly some of the best joys to experience in life. Thank you for the pics and story.
     
  10. LAR-15

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    Thanks for sharing and congrats on the boar and roebucks.

    Hunting in Europe is somewhat different than hunting in the US/Canada.
     
  11. Roebuck

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    Thank you all for your response to my post.

    First. John BT. I did need to take a ferry first but yes, we can do that in Europe. I am glad, truly glad, that you enjoyed the story. Not a story really but just what happened. Also, yes, do retire and do what you can afford and want to. You're a long time dead!! As for posting, that is my pleasure Sir.

    Armoredman, do I detect military somewhere in your backround? If so, as one ex military fellow to another, I salute you.

    If there was no Internet I would not have the pleasure of being able to reply to you.

    Phantomak47. After my military service I worked in the oil and gas industry. It took me all over the world. I had the pleasure of working for a Texas based firm who had a deer lease and a bird lease on the King Ranch in South Texas. I hunted whitetail, dove, quail and even had a rattlesnake and a bobcat. (The rattlesnake was better fried than it was bar-b-qued.) and I did not eat the bobcat!! I love the Southern States and have more invitatoins to hunt than I have been able to accept. However, I deeply appreciate each and every one and if God permits, will try to visit them all.

    Msarge. Thank you for your kind comments.

    H&H Hunter. I read your posts with great interest. My pig gun is a Blaser Combination, or Bockbuschflinte in German. .308 Winchester is not too popular in Germany, so, I had to plead with Blaser to make it for me. It is Model BBF 97. 12g over and, .308 Winchester underneath. It has Blaser mounts and a Docter Optiks (The old Carl Zeiss from Jenna) 3-12 Variable Scope with a No. 4a Illuminated Reticle. Ideal for low light pig hunting.

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    My buddy Iain, used my Mannlicher Stutzen Classic in .308 Winchester, topped off with Mannlicher (Appel) mounts and a Zeis 2.5-10 x 50 Scope.

    Other German hunters use 7 x 57 Mauser, 8mm Mauser, .30-06. 6.5mm x 55 Swedish is also popular. Many use 12g and 16g Brenneke Slug.

    If you would like more detailed information on calibres and dogs, send me an E-mail and I will try to give you as much information as you need.

    Art, I am pleased you enjoyed my tale.

    Yours aye,

    Roebuck.
     
  12. Roebuck

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    Since posting the last item, I must also include Emerson, Alucard and LAR 15 for their kind appreciation.

    Roebuck.
     
  13. H&Hhunter

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    Roebuck,

    That is a really cool rifle. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a drilling. I find them to be fascinating weapons. The Germans definitely build nice rifles and in odd configurations.

    Do you know what the brindled colored hound dog is? I've never seen anything like it here.

    My Mother is German. All of my relatives on her side still live in Germany. My uncle is a member of a shooting club there. I need to pester him into finding an invitation for me so I can hunt in Germany. I'd really like to give that a go some time.

    Greg
     
  14. LAR-15

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    I too use the .308 Winchester as my primary big game hunting cartridge.

    Some great things transcend "The Pond".
     
  15. LAR-15

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    Quick question for you European shooters do your gun laws influence your gun selection for hunting?

    Here is the US I have several different calibers and guns for different shooting situations (I.E. long range vs short range, big calibers vs light calibers, ect)
     
  16. JimmerJammerMrK

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    Wow, that looks amazing. Great post, great pictures, and incredible firearm. Thanks for sharing.
     
  17. Roebuck

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    Yes H&H. The Germans do build good rifles. I have almost entirely moved to German rifle makers (Sauer, Mannlicher and Blaser) and for sure (except for one Night Force for a specific job) German or Austrian optics. A lot of the German hunters I know use drillings. That is two side by side shotgun barrels over one (or sometimes more) rifle barrel (for those who may not be conversant with the term drilling). As well as the calibres mentioned before, 9.3mm x 74 and 9.3mm x 72R can be frequently found. Inserts for smaller calibres can be acquired easily in Germany. These are fitted into one of the shotgun barrels and you could go out with a combination like 12g Brenneke, 8mm Mauser and a .223, then change it round the next time out!!

    I believe that the brindle hound is an English Pointer. Sacha is the top English Pointer breeder in Germany. I have sent an E-mail to check that my belief that it is an English Pointer is correct and will advise further when I get a reply.

    Interesting that your mother is German. Are you fluent in German? I have a great respect for those who are truly bi-lingual, I just struggle along in German but it's fun. If it is not an impertinent question, may I ask the area your mother and her family is from?

    I cannot urge you strongly enough to go and experience the German Hunter Hospitality. They have so much tradition and whilst the hunt is serious, the party afterwards has to be experienced to be believed!

    LAR-15. The short answer to your question is yes. The laws do influence the choice of many UK shooters. With your indulgence, I will address this in another thread. My choice of the .308 was initially due to the fact that it was our standard NATO round. I used it in the military and empty cases were readily available. As a reloader, I find it quite versitile. Allthough I have other calibres, I still like the .308 Win.

    Glad you like my pig gun JJMrK. My pleasure to share.
     
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    Another thank you for a wonderful story, both in words and in pics. Your pig gun is a work of art.

    I wish I remembered more of the German I studied in the past. Ich habe viel vergessen!
     
  19. H&Hhunter

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    Roebuck,

    I am not fluent in German. I do however understand it fairly well when spoken. Apparently as a young child I could have a conversation with the other toddlers in Germany. I haven't used it enough. Funny thing though when I am over there after several days words start popping into my head that I didn't know I knew.:D

    My Grandmother lives in Frankfurt,my uncle and aunt live Wurstburg, I have one cousin in Lohr and one in Berlin. My mothers family are originally all from Bavaria.

    The dog that I am in question about is the brown dog sitting below the hog hide in the 6th and 7th photos from the bottom.
     
  20. Roebuck

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    I find the same in French H&H, a language I have more vocabulary in. Frankfurt I know as I used to exhibit at the ACHEMA Show (Petrochem). Wurzburg and Lohr I have never been to. I used to go to Augsburg, Ulm amd Munchen on business quite a bit but that is a little further South and beautiful countryside. They say that Bavarians are the Scots of Germany. They have their own dialect which the rest of Germany struggles to understand. I have three volumes of Bavarian to English Dictionaries. They have some quite amusing terms and phrases. I have never met a Bavarian yet who wasn't fun to be with.

    I had identified the dog in question. I just wait for confirmation or otherwise as to its breed.
     
  21. H&Hhunter

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    I am waiting with baited breath as to the identification of that dog. My girls and I have a wager. They are both dog experts.

    The Scots of Germany. I hadn't really ever thought of it that way but it makes perfect sense they are kind of the highlanders of Germany.

    My family in Germany are a hoot to be around. It is always lets see how much "real" beer this soft American can handle then the fun begins. ;)

    That 18% German beer really takes it's toll on me!
     
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  22. pbhome71

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    Wow... Thanks for the post. Beautiful rifle to boot.

    -Pat
     
  23. Roebuck

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    Glad you enjoyed it Pat.

    Greg (H&H) I have just composed an E-mail in my best German (courtesy of my translation program) and asked my friend Sacha for the breed of the dog. My original question to Marcel, missed him. He is in Iceland hunting carribou. As soon as Sacha gets back to me I will post the breed. The dog was picked up on by a guy in Mississippi, on whose website I also posted the story. He said that " Seeing the Plott hound brings back memories. I used to coon hunt with plott hounds when I was younger. they can be mean dogs, but they are tough...". I had never heard of that breed so I looked it up. It has an interesting background and seems as if it was bred for the work it does in Germany, though a US breed. I am now as interested as you to know more, though I have no wager going on it!!:)

    David.
     
  24. Roebuck

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    Sacha tells me that the dog in question is a Hannoverscher Sweisshund. Hannovarian Bloodhound or Scenthound.

    The Hanoverian Scenthound (Hannoverscher Schweisshund) has developed almost unchanged from the so called « liam hound » (leash hound) of the early Middle Ages. The liam hound, from the breed section of the « Bracke », already played an extraordinary part at the time of the establishment of clan rights of the Germanic tribes (in about 500AD).
    With the invention of firearms, the methods of hunting big game altered. Dogs were needed to search for wounded game. The liam hound offered the best conditions for this and so he became a « Liam-Scenthound ». Especially the Hanoverian hunting estate in the kingdom of Hannover developed this breed further and preserved the proven methods of handling these hounds.
    Since 1894 the registered « Verein Hirschmann e.V. » has been taking care of the breed and it was in this club where the breed’s name “Hannoverscher Schweisshund” (Hanoverian Scenthound) has been established.
    Since that time the breeding of these dogs has continued strictly with regard of their working ability, and the dogs are used exclusively in hunting grounds for big game as specialists in tracking cloven-hoof game.



    GENERAL APPEARANCE : In general appearance the highly efficient Hanoverian Scenthound (Hannoverscher Schweisshund) is of medium size, well proportioned and powerful. Well set strongly muscled fore and hind limbs qualify him for tireless work. Too long legs, specially overbuilt forequarters, affect his work with nose to ground and are foreign to his type. The broad, deep chest provides ample room for the lungs and enables long, strenuous chases. The slightly wrinkled forehead and the clear dark eyes produce the serious expression typical of the breed. Also typical for the breed is the red primary colour of the coat which can vary from a pale fawn colour to a dark brindle, almost black appearing, colouring.

    Who won the wager!!:)

    David.
     
  25. H&Hhunter

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    Roebuck,

    I am afraid that my dog experts were wrong on that one.;)


    Thanks for the reply. That is an interesting dog.
     
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