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Carl,

I'm likely to steal your post above and post it in entirety every time someone comes along asking which knife to buy for SD.

I like knives. I'm a powerful guy despite my small size, but small knives have little reach. Reach is good.

john
 
I live in the high desert where trees don't grow. Is there a source of njatural hornbeam, hickory, orblackthorn that could be used to make one's own staff. I trained for 7 years with the jo, but am now in the "back of the herd" category.
 
something to lean upon

Coyote:

The high desert sounds fascinating. How dependable is the water supply?
If you get a wood staff, you will be like Moses in the wilderness.

There are plenty of hardwood tree stands in the NE, however, for your area -I have no knowledge.

Since you would like to harvest and craft your own, may I suggest:

www.brazos-walking-sticks.com

Go into the "Free form sticks" category, and there are many species to select from. As you can see, they have been crafted, but are still simplistic and rugged.
Hickory, Dog Wood, Sassafras; up to 55 inches in length.
Not quite Quarter Staff size, but substantial.
-The prices are good.

Hey, if you get one, please post.
 
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I have an abundance of black locust in some old pasture and along the roadsides of my farm. The stuff is prolific to the point of being a nuisance, but makes a dang good walking stick. I've also used ash, hickory, red elm, and osage orange. I don't think a strong man could break a 1.25" shaft once it has dried to cure.
I love dogs but I don't have any compassion for an uncontrolled and aggressive canine of any breed.
 
JTT, I'm at 6000 ft elevation about 10 miles north of Cheyenne, Wyoming. 12-13 inches annual rainfall. My well is 350' deep, so far, so good. No hardwoods nearby. My wife was in Indiana recently with instructions to return with hickory sticks, but the floods interfered. Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
 
I don't understand the shaved head goatee thing with barb wire tatoo's.
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It's part of the tough guy starter kit, as is the big tough dog.

HAR!
Thumbs up to the older guys with walking sticks and staffs.
 
My shillelagh came today...

Thanks for your post, Carl!

I posted yesterday, but it was either deleted or snafued somehow.

I had ordered a shillelagh from jollysmith.com recently, and it arrived yesterday.

I must say, it is really awesome! Very heavy duty!

I have a minor problem with my left hip, and I'm looking to the future.

The Irish Blackthorn is up to the task.

Sorry about your hassle with the Pit Bull, you did what you had to do.

Later,

Kerry
 
Kingcreek:
The more I work with black locust, the more I like it. You know it's a member of the pea family? That's why it smells the way it does.

I would actually love to get some osage orange, Doesn't grow around here.

Lately I've been making sticks out of hawthorn. Really interesting stuff.
 
I had ordered a shillelagh from jollysmith.com recently, and it arrived yesterday.
:scrutiny:

Now just how did you manage this feat as jollysmith.com appears to not exist?
 
Hi Meef,

I really like my big a.. shillelagh from these folks... (39.5 inches, 1 1/8" OD). If you do decide to go with these folks, I'd recommend a few of their rubber tips at the time of ordering, to save on shipping. There are a few sites that may be cheaper, but I am happy with what I have, for what it's worth.

Later, Meef!

Kerry
 
My most trusted stick is my CS City Stick. I have no idea how hard something'd have to swing it to break it but I assure you, I'm not that strong. I doubt anyone reading this is either.

My favorite walking stick is one made out of purple heart wood. It's dense, hard, heavy, and purple. Naturally purple, a really beautiful color. Since I'm down visiting family for the summer I found it looking like it really needs some oil on it.

Carl Levitian said:
Maybe Teddy knew what he was talking about. He was quoting an old Masai proverb, and the Masai travel in dangerous country with a big stick.

Sorry for being a nit-picking History teacher, but Theodore Roosevelt disliked the nickname "Teddy." He didn't mind being called T.R. though. As he's one of my favorite characters in American history, anytime I hear him being called "Teddy" it's like fingers on a chalkboard for me.

The Tourist said:
Being flamed or not, I believe that the day for dangerous pit bulls should come to an end. For many simple reasons.

I know it's a bit simplistic, but I like the saying "there are no bad dogs, just bad owners." Raised as any other dog, the Pit is one of the most people-friendly and loving dogs that exist. It is still in their nature for some to be animal aggressive, especially with other dogs. That's not to say it must be that way, I've known plenty who were gentle with other animals. I used to have one. Often it takes careful and proper training but it can be done. I'd agree that responsible pet breeders should do more to help the breed along, but most I know of are. It's the irresponsible crack-dealer types that are a problem. However, let's not brand a dog with the sins of the masters. Put the truly dangeroug dogs to sleep (along with their owners.)
 
My most trusted stick is my CS City Stick. I have no idea how hard something'd have to swing it to break it but I assure you, I'm not that strong. I doubt anyone reading this is either.

Well, let's not get carried away. The folks I used to train with have broken 1 1/4" purple heart and 1 1/8" "Diamondwood". I've broken all sorts of stuff- about the only thing I haven't been able to break are my canvas micarta 1 1/4" staves. Those are tough enough, we have used them at bo staff seminars to practice striking 4x4s.

J
 
Eleven Mike said:
Teddy, Teddy, Teddy.

I don't need to know what you're wearing. Really. :D

JShirley, I'm sure I could break the purple heart stick as well. I'm not so sure, however, about the CS City Stick. It's fibeglass and remarkably strong. I'd certainly be interested in finding a micarta staff though, do you have a supplier?
 
Unfortunately, I don't. Mine were made by a guy named Robin Marshall who was one of the dans at the dojo I attended in Atlanta. I think he was charging something like $150 for a set of 6' and 3' (bo and hanbo). Robin made all sorts of uncoventional tools. For a while, he was experimenting with G10 "knives".

I sold my 6' staff when I went into the Army, partially because I also have a canvas micarta spear. I actually regret selling it...I went through a months-long period when I trained with that staff every damn day.

Last I heard, Robin was in Hawaii.
 
the luster of fine wood

Some of my experience with the wooden sticks:

My favorite boken; i.e. wooden practice sword is made of simple white oak.
Through the years it has aquired some dents along the shaft from impact, but that thing is still sturdy and lasting.
Others; the darker oaks, and other wood species have failed.
I must be forthright and say that in some instances, maintenance seem to be the fault, as the sticks exhibited dryness and therefor had become brittle.
_Not my own. I take care of them, but those belonging to other students.

The most severe clashes involved the technique of "Kaeshi," or reversing.
The timing is last moment where it is a defensive technique. You opponent has been quicker than you, or misled you, or completely surprised you, and you raise your stick to interpose it between your head or body and the rapidly approaching sword of the opponent. His strike lands on your stick which is held in a decending diagonal which intercepts and deflects his strike downward.
Now, the enthusiastic students that I have engaged with would get carried away in their zeal, and strike with such force that if you did not have your stick there your skull would most likely been fractured! Whack.
My white oak boken held up just fine.

Haveing said that, I have never tested it to destruction like you might witness in a "You Tube" demonstration whereby experimenters in theater masks will chop cinder block, bash anvils, and attempt to drive their Excaliber blade back into the stone.
Even my white oak stick will not withstand such treatment.

Other than beating logs or such, I find a good hardwood, that is maintained, to be very sturdy and reliable.

And to my eyes, the wood sticks; particularly the primitive ones, have a character that polymer, fiberglass, or metal ones do not have.

I will reserve my old wood sticks to less than Jacky Chan fights, and whomp only the hard noggins of the foolish with them.

Not ever haveing handled a CS fiberglass stick; how is the weight of one?
 
Mr. Thomas,

I don't know if it's called the same thing, but in the Kukishin Ryu staff work I've done, we used a similar technique. You really have to be careful with your fingers! :what:

I like that the canvas micarta sticks do look, at first glance, like wood.

John
 
My City Stick has the pistol grip handle which is amazingly heavy but it fits my hand quite well. It would deliver a fearsome hit. The staff itself (the head can be unscrewed and replaced) is slightly heavier than a similar sized piece of wood is but since it's slimmer than most wooden staffs it's about the same weight as a wooden one. (Keep in mind I'm just going off of memory since I forgot to grab my City Stick when I left Alaska for the summer.)

Another really tough piece of wood I've found is a white wax wood staff which I used a lot to break ice blocks off my roof in winter.
 
I think the CM sticks I have are about 3x as heavy as comparable wood.
 
I'll say "me too" to locust.
It's fence post material, lasts forever, resists the elements better than any other wood I've seen, and is darn hard once cured- but not brittle.

All hardwoods are not created equal. While white oak is a favorite, red oak is a much more porous wood and not as strong.
 
shame on you eleven mike you owe me a keyboard, unless you can tell me how to get lemonade to un stick. On topic as i have said before I carved my cane out of maple but just did another out of fig - pretty interesting wood with a nice grain
 
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