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And another one bites the dust...

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  1. bill larry

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    Edie Brickell & New Bohemians Keyboard Player Shot to Death by Girlfriend's Neighbor After Domestic Spat
    Monday, September 03, 2007

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    DALLAS — Jeffrey Carter Albrecht, a keyboard player for the band Edie Brickell & New Bohemians, was shot to death early Monday while trying to kick in the door of his girlfriend's neighbor, police said.

    The neighbor, who was not immediately identified, was asleep in bed when he woke up around 4 a.m. to his wife screaming that someone was breaking into the house, according to a police report. The neighbor yelled through the door for Albrecht to leave and then fired his handgun through the door.

    Albrecht was shot in the head and died at the scene, police said.

    The neighbor believed a burglar was trying to break in and fired a shot through the door around 4 a.m., Dallas police spokesman Sgt. Gil Cerda said. The case is under investigation and no arrests have been made.

    News reports cited police saying Albrecht beat up his girlfriend and then tried to kick down the neighbor's door in a drunken rage. The couple had no history of domestic violence, but the girlfriend had bruises on her face, police said. She did not suffer serious injury.

    Albrecht apparently struck his girlfriend in the face several times and hit her in the back once she fell. She later managed to lock him out of the house, according to the reports.


    "He was at his girlfriend's house last night," said Danny Balis, Albrecht's roommate. "He left the house and went next door and — for whatever reason, which we don't know — he knocked on the neighbor's door. And from what I understand, he was persistent. I don't know if there was a verbal exchange, but the person panicked and fired a shot through the door."

    The death of Albrecht, who also played keyboard and guitar and sang in the Dallas rock band Sorta with Balis, stunned friends and those who knew him in the North Texas music community.

    "He is not a violent person," said Carrie Garcia, Sorta's manager. "He is cool as a cucumber, shy, always wanted to make a joke in a situation that may be a little tense."

    Albrecht, who went by his middle name, had been with the New Bohemians since 1999, according to the band's Web site. Albrecht played several times with Brickell's husband, Paul Simon, Garcia said. He also played with Texas musician Charlie Sexton, a renowned guitarist.

    Albrecht was working on a solo album that Balis called "the best thing he has ever done."

    "He was the best musician I've ever played with — no question," Balis said. "He could play anything. It's a shame not enough people outside of Dallas heard him."
     
  3. jbauch357

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    Am I the only person that sees a world of hurt coming for the guy that shot him through the door?

    Realistically what would have been the best way to handle this? Wait until he breaks through the door and then let loose hell on him, or is a single shot through the door an acceptable approach? I don't think the latter is likely to be popular...
     
  4. kingpin008

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    I'm not up on the particular rules n' regs in that area, but this illustrates EXACTLY why I'd NEVER shoot through a door at ANYONE. Sure, the dude was being violent, and attempting to break in. Sure, he could possibly have done some damage if he had gotten in. BUT - The occupants of the apartment were safe and sound inside their apartment, with no immediate danger of being attacked. The dude chose to shoot through a door, which was seperating him from the potential attacker, and the guy was killed.

    It's tragic, and I'm very sorry the man was killed. He was doing some very violent and dangerous things, but I can't see an individual on the other side of a door being an immediate enough threat to me to warrant shooting at him.

    And what if there had been another person out there with the guy who was shot? What if the round went through the door, through the guy, and struck the innocent? However unlikely, that's a damn important variable. Granted, you can't have a perfect set of variables with a self-defense shooting - but that's a little much to risk without an immediate and unavoidable threat of deadly harm coming your way.

    /steps down off the soap-box
    //takes a deep breath
     
  5. JimmerJammerMrK

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    He should have called the cops, not killed the guy.
     
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    yep, I'm thinking that I would have called the cops... and have been waiting for him inside the house with a 12 gauge, just in case he broke through before the cops showed up.
     
  7. Jim March

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    He decided to turn into an animal. And died like one.
     
  8. Bob R

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    Shooting through the door is a bad move.....but it is Texas, and....


    And this prior section ( I bolded the one part)


    They do have a fairly broad use of force law in place for night time.

    It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I guess it depends on the DA and the lawyer the shooter gets.

    bob
     
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    I agree, no shooting through doors until its security fails, after that, security is my job. Police won't be there that fast, but they will record it on the 911 call. There is a lot of background information missing here. Why was he kicking the door in?
     
  10. Robert Hairless

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    Perhaps the neighbor whose door this drunken, non violent person was breaking down at 4:00 AM did not have a sense of humor.
     
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    Unless, of course, there are there of them, or they're too spaced out on drugs to feel or think anything, or they've got machetes and real bad hang-overs, or it's just one crazy-stupid homicidal maniac who happens to be in a rotten mood, or...

    By the time you've identified and assessed the threat, the odds are high you'll be dead. That gives the criminal the benefit of the doubt, all right—but is an extra measure of "understanding" worth your life?
     
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    Lesson?

    Don't go pounding thr crap out of a door at 4 in the morning while in a drunken rage.

    Sometimes, stupidity is fatal.
     
  13. 30 cal slob

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    quasi-celebrity home (invader) shot - dallas

    i am not a real fan of firing a shot through the door at an unseen perp (seems to me a violation of one of the four rules), but i guess there might some times where it is necessary (as an aside, i'm also not a fan of the the band the perp belonged to ...) :scrutiny:

    i'm sure after this there will be railing for more gun control from the music industry (the Nuge excepted).

     
  14. Working Man

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    Even in at the start of things its geting twisted up.
     
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    I saw that this morning. I wonder what was going on there? According to friends, this behavior is not normal for him.
    Just goes to show that homeowners are armed, and will shoot if they feel threatened.
     
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    He was probably just pissed off about being stuck in a hasbeen band...
    (that group was a one hit wonder, by the way).
     
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    He'll almost certainly be no billed. The only hurt coming to this guy will be emotional, maybe. I agree with Jim on this one; the guy started acting like an animal and died like one.

    This guys death is sad, no doubt, but not unjustified.
     
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    It's a smile on a dog.......just one for the music geeks:neener:
     
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    While I do not advocate shooting through doors or walls

    I do think in this case that the guy was justified. First of all, the man was awakened at 4:00am to the sounds of his wife screaming that someone was trying to break down the door. When he confronts the man through the door and tells him to leave, the man persists in beating on the door. I think at this point, if not sooner, it is obvious that the man is a real threat to anyone inside the house. Saying that he should have waited for the door to give way is kinda like a lawyer arguing that you should have waited for the man with knife to get within arms reach before you shot him because you couldn't really be sure of his intentions until then. As for the people who say he should have called the police first then waited for the man to break down the door, wrong again. The wife should have been on the phone with police and the man did what he was supposed to which was cover the front door and try to disuade the the man on the other side from continuing trying to break in. Now, I am not saying that he did everything right or that he should have shot through the door. I am saying that the man had every reason to believe that he and his wifes lives were in danger and that the man on the other side of the door was not going to give up. Also, you have to realize that the victims did not know if there was more than one bad guy. I find it interesting that many of you think that the decision of shoot/don't shoot rests soley on the strength of the door. If the door gives way shoot, if it doesn't don't shoot. I think it is Neil Boortz or Mike Gallagher who says he never understood the charge of attempted murder. Why , he argues, should someone who tries to kill someone, and fails, be given less of a sentence than someone who manages to complete the task. Should "incompetence" be rewarded? I don't believe so and I also don't believe the victim in this case should have been required to wait until his door failed. The only thing I do take issue with is the fact that the man was shot in the head. If I have to shoot through a door I am going to shoot center of the door just above the door knob because that will give me greater chance of insuring a hit. I also wonder if some of you would have felt differently if this had been some drug crazed fool with a history of violent crime who had been shot. As far as the man on the inside of the house was concerned, it wvery well could have been.
     
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    I bet it was an AD/ND.

    Fred
     
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    Well, you know that they'll blame it on gun, and not the footwear...
     
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    Shooting through doors at an enraged attacker trying to kick it down is a viable tactic. As proof, it worked. He took the guy out before he even got in the house, which is better than him getting in the house and doing who knows what. He might come through blasting.

    HOWEVER!!!!

    Though it is a viable tactic, it may not be legally smart. This is that $250,000 grey area that he might or might not go to jail. IDing your target in a situation like that is a better idea. Call the cops, hunker down in an area in the home where you have a good base of fire and if he succeeds in kicking down the door, welcome him in with some lead buscuits.
     
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    CZ223, I think you are right on the money. This man was expected to wait until the door gave way to start firing? I don't think so.

    Unless the other person was actively trying to stop this guy from breaking down the door, I would see him as an accomplice and a viable target.
     
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    At noon in broad daylight I will not shoot an unarmed someone banging on the door, I will call the cops let the person outside know I am armed and if they get through before the cops show I will fire. At 4 O'Clock in the bleeding morning anyone dumb enough to try to knock my door down will get a verbal warning followed by a 203 grain argument to leave.
     
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    He wasn't aware of too many things. He knew what he knew, if you know what I mean. ;-)
     
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