Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by armoredman, Sep 21, 2008.
No, appealing to popularity is not a good thing when you're trying to advocate an idea. Logical fallacies are things to be avoided.
Maybe it's because I go outside of the gun community, online and IRL quite frequently, to do RKBA advocacy, that I see the potential for deleterious effects. When I have to face antis, or even more importantly, swing voters in the audience, negative stereotypes are something you absolutely do NOT want to play into. Also, tying together two contentious issues, one of which is much nastier to deal with than the other, does not help at all, EVER. The only people who posters like this appeal to don't need any convincing; you've already got their vote. HOWEVER, there are plenty of people out there who haven't made up their minds. Playing into stereotypes, and tying together multiple hotly contentious issues is always a BAD idea if you're trying to win a debate and forward an idea, but it's always a great tactic if you're trying to confuse people, stall an idea, or kill a debate. I've had it tried on me many many many times and it always makes me do ten times more work to get the RKBA message across when someone successfully introduces the "bible-beating, gun-loving redneck" stereotype into an argument.
So, the point I'm trying to make, which some unfortunately seem unable or unwilling to grasp, is that, while I know your intentions are good, that you are apparently unaware of just how much DAMAGE your picture can do when let loose onto the population at large.
I second the new desktop. I'm using the blank space on the right to place my favorite pictures of the guns I want to get next
I'm not a religious man, but I can certainly appreciate the value of the Good Book come good times or bad.
Excellent work armoredman!
PS, the liberals would get real mad at this one, too, wouldn't they.
me, so good job from me, armoredman
I am religious. And I still recognize and appreciate wisdom from the non-religious. Very nice, AndyC!
Much ado about nothing.
armoredman - you make some cool posters.
If you don't like the poster armoredman put up just blow it off like it's not there. It is sending a clear message and it's a good one. Let's not get this thread closed because you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
The quote was that we're all out here clinging to our guns & religion , the Bible was a good visual representation. Even people who obviously have no use for religion got the refference Good job.
Anybody that is turned off to RKBA by this poster probably wasn't gonna support us anyway
Treo - boo hiss.
This thread is plutonium because every single member is going to come away from the OP's poster with a different message.
But I think Jimbo's quote above is close to the case.
It's walking a fine line, but sometimes that's the only way to make a point.
I can understand some of the feelings of the naysayers who think it doesn't belong here.
But I believe it passes the test.
However please do not be offended but I think that Emfusor has a point regarding
I like the picture, I agree with it(I'd like it even better if you could work "legal" immigration in there, I am quite annoyed that because I am against "illegal immigration many people assume that I am against legal immigration.
But I agree it would probable be best for "In-House" use. It really depends on what we are trying to do make an image for ourselves or make an image to attempt to convert others.
Again I say please do not be offended, I like your work and hope you contiunue to produce such excellent images and I'll contiue to look at and enjoy them.
Uh oh, just had another idea...
Emfuser, this poster capitalizes on the feelings of the average American right now. Most Americans, including me, are upset about the economy, and are religious.
I agree that you shouldn't bring in negative stereotypes (like the urban redneck poster, even though that one is hilarious), but connecting with people who are disgusted at the condition the world around them is in is very helpful indeed. Ever hear of the Moral Majority, who registered about 2 million new voters? Or the so-called "Reagan Revolution?(I don't want to discuss these here, but I'm pointing out that this can work.)
But, I can see this getting SO political it gets locked, so one last completely non-political poster...
Well, I suppose that merely highlights the fact that no single poster, image or message is going to represent 100% of all gun owners - or any other demographic group.
That doesn't diminish the value or sense of identity this particular poster's message has for those it does represent. Nor does it in any way infringe upon those gun owners it does not represent.
Again - much ado about nothing.
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