And so IT Begins... The anti-gun Parade

[Werewolf]

As a result of the recent rash of school shootings President Bush has put together a special commission consisting of LEO’s and School Officials to come up with a plan to prevent school shootings in the future. They are scheduled to meet in the White House today I believe.

FOX news this morning interviewed a neighbor of the nut job in the Amish School Shootings. They asked her about his "arsenal". She mentioned the pistol and said he had an AK-47. FOX added he had 600 rounds of ammo and 2 knives. Then FOX asked if there were a lot of hunters in the area and the neighbor responded in the affirmative and mentioned she just didn’t understand why anyone would need all that stuff. FOX wondered why anyone would need an AK47 to hunt (it was that moron Brian Kilmead who made that comment). The neighbor then stated with a genuine look of fear and worry on her face that she was glad HER husband wasn't a hunter. The whole interview made me sick!

If FOX is jumping on the anti bandwagon can the others be far behind?

And so the anti-gun save our children parade begins.

The real question though is how will it end?

 

[RNB65]

According to the police reports last night he had a Springfield 9mm (XD I assume), a Browning 12ga shotty, and a bolt-action 30-06. Did they find an AK? He may have owned one, but I don't think he had it with him yesterday.

 

[Manedwolf]

NICKEL MINES, Penn. (Reuters) - The 32-year-old dairy truck driver who stormed a one-room school and killed five girls apparently chose the schoolhouse because it was an easy target rather than because he had a grudge against the Amish, police said.

 

[S.P.E.C.T.R.E.]

Well when you are slaughtering defenseless girls, a .22 pistol would work as well as an AK-47, so the "evil black rifle" factor is a moot point. The "neighbor's" husband also needs to grow a pair.

 

[BHPshooter]

The real question though is how will it end?

It will end with President Bush and his special group forming another alphabet-soup agency for school security.

Please, somebody tell me I'm wrong...
Wes

 

[tenbase]

From here:

Advocates of wider gun controls argue that the availability of guns has made it easier for people to commit murder in schools.

"It is extremely easy whether you are a juvenile or a convicted felon or a domestic abuser to purchase a firearm legally or illegally," Peter Hamm of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence told Reuters.

"We believe that there should be criminal background checks on every gun purchase in America bar none and limits on the number of firearms an individual can purchase at one time," he said.

All of which would have done nothing to prevent this tragedy, nor does it explain the utter lack of school shootings in the years before "gun control" became the knee-jerk response to all criminal acts.

Same s*** different day from the gun grabbers.

 

[Crawlin]

It will end with President Bush and his special group forming another alphabet-soup agency for school security.

Please, somebody tell me I'm wrong...
Wes

I hope thats all it is and there is no other "Bans" comming.

 

[ID_shooting]

I volunteer to head up the inevitable "alphabet soup" agency.

It should be called the ASS, or the Amercian School Safety Agency.

We will post a team of three armed federal agents in each public school. School staff can volunteer to train for and be armed as special deputys.

Our mission will be similar to the Air Marshals. Should trouble arise, we will step in and defend the children with our lives if needed. We will wear armor, carry M4 rifles with Glocks for sidearms. I guarentee a 90% drop in school shootings in the first year.

 

[mustanger98]

Ya'll may know this, but back in the days of the "wild west", schoolchildren went armed. They walked or rode horses through Indian country to get there... it might have been hostile Indians, outlaws, or just predatory animals. Now in light of the Amish school shooting and this last one in Colorado as well as so many other school shootings we've heard about over time, my opinion is that because of the anti-gun crowd kids are going to school in "Indian country" again, but the difference is they can't defend themselves with firearms for obvious reasons. I think the avenues for self-defense in schools need to be opened up, but I wouldn't advise anybody to hold their breath as long as we have the same old blissninnies pushing their same old agenda.

Note: In the Amish school shooting, the Amish are pacifists. I don't know if they'd ever fight back in a case like this. I don't know what they'd say or think if one of their people did defend themselves.

 

[SuperNaut]

Similar acts of violence will be identified as "Domestic Terrorism" and all known associates, sellers, gun-club buddies, speed-dial numbers, website members etc. will be "persons of interest" and with the recent elimination of habeus corpus the persons of interest will look forward to many enjoyable hours of interrogation, physical persuasion, no rights, no representation, no charges, no visitation, no trial, and a strong chance of becoming "disappeared."

It's for the children's safety, the greater good and the survival of the Homeland.

 

[RNB65]

I don't think the anti-gunners are going to get much mileage out of this tragedy. This crime was so evil and the victims so vulnerable, reasonable folks are going to recognize that a knife or claw hammer would have been just as effective. The Brady Bunch is mostly going to be preaching to the choir on this one.

That being said, I would like to encourage anyone not a member of the NRA to consider joining. The NRA isn't perfect and I don't agree with every position they take, but it is the best defender of the RKBA we have.

 

[Master Blaster]

Fox news the fair balanced rightwing tool of the conservatives????

My fox news in Philadelphia dedicated a 1/2 hour of last nights news cast to a complete antigun diatribe.

They even featured a guy who was arrested for having an arsenal in Drexel Hill, unfortunately i missed what actual crime he committed other than having a bunch of busy body 85 year old neighbors (correction he was arrested for DUI while carrying with a permit.)

Apparently the police arrested him and raided his house before, but a Judge ordered the police to give him back his arsenal, since he had a concealed carry permit, all the guns were legally purchased, and in legal configuration, and he was not a felon and hadn't committed a crime of any type.

The Drexel hill police chief was unhappy that a judge ordered his firearms returned, imagine that. The police chief went on to say that they would have to lock him up before this person got his guns back this time (police knew no crime was committed here), and if a judge ordered it he would refuse to return them.

So maybe they got a warrant based on a neighbor saying he was making bombs, or maybe it was a 90 year old neighbor saying he was shooting on his porch (they interviewed her).

They also displayed his gun collection (some milsurps handguns and evil semiauto rifles) tossed in a big pile after they stomped on them a bit. And his "bomb making materials" which consisted of 4 fumigation smoke bombs (like you put down a gopher hole), labeled as such, a switch box of some kind, some wire, and some rocket engine fuse.

Fox showed him and his whole family being hauled off in a paddy wagon. He yelled the bomb making charge was false as he his wife and another were tossed in theback of a paddy wagon handcuffed together.

This was after the 15 minutes on the school shooting.

Fox 29 in Philadelphia is the MOST LIBERAL ANTIGUN news station in the USA.

Even CBS CNN or NBC can't come close to the anti self defense rants this station puts out.

 

[Master Blaster]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pa...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Police: Man Had Guns and Bomb-Making Materials Last Edited: Monday, 02 Oct 2006, 6:58 PM EDT
Created: Monday, 02 Oct 2006, 6:58 PM EDT

Police say they also recovered blasting caps, detonators, empty grenades, liquid mercury and a manual on how to make bombs.
A Drexel Hill man is being held on a million dollars cash bail after police found an arsenal of weapons and bomb-making materials in his home. The discovery came after 47-year old Charles Connor was arrested on D.U.I. charges while carrying a gun. Police raided the home and say they found 54 guns, including AK-47s, Uzi's, and other military-style sniper rifles. Conner has a permit to carry firearms even though police went to his home last September for reports of a “barricaded, depressed, suicidal man.” Though the guns were taken away, a judge later ordered police to return them. Police are going through Conner's computer trying to learn what he planned to do with the guns and bomb-making materials

 

[The_Shootist]

Why Do You Need An AK-47?

Can you spell KATRINA? Sure ya can !

Thats the reason i got MY WASR10 - so that the next "bug-out" from the coast I had a bit more firepower than my G19/SP101 combo.

Katrina will serve for a LONG time as a pro-gun argument!

 

[the pistolero]

I am not surprised, after something I saw recently vis-a-vis Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News, and the Dunblane massacre. From the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep And Bear Arms web site:

“In March 1996, a well-known child abuser walked into a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and shot 15 children and a teacher before turning the gun on himself. His name was Thomas Hamilton,” somberly related Stuart Andrews, an independent firearms consultant from England, on the incident that lead to the virtual ban on firearms ownership in the United Kingdom....

“There was certainly a sense of national grief, but Hamilton was dead and the media looked around for someone to blame. They picked the instrument not the man, and from then on we gunowners saw an inevitable deterioration of our status as responsible law-abiding citizens,” Andrews said.

Rupert Murdoch, explained Andrews, took it upon himself to run the nation’s most notorious anti-gun campaign in the country’s history. As he owned nearly every newspaper in the United Kingdom, Murdoch filled the pages of his trash rags with hired quotes from every “hack ex-cop, every failed psychologist and any idiot he could find.”
...Gunowners were first described in the press as gun enthusiasts, then gun fanatics, gun freaks and finally as gun sickos.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries the same with Fox in this country, but I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[Wes Janson]

Look around your house and see what could be used against you.

Own a few packs of mil-surp ammo for your *insert surplus rifle here*? Or a brick or two of .22 LR? Bingo, you've got an "arsenal" and a "stockpile of ammunition".

Ever play with Estes rockets? Shoot off fireworks? Lord help you, own and use a blackpowder mortar? You can guess what those are going to get you labeled as.

The list keeps on going, because of the simple fact that most people are too lazy or stupid to think about the truth of the matter when they start talking about someone's "arsenal" of dangerous things found by the police. For non-shooters, 600 rounds of ammunition seems like alot. By my standards, it's the amount I'd like to be maintaining, in each of the calibers I shoot. By the standards of some people I know, 600 rounds is a joke-it's what they keep loaded in mags at any time, while the other 19/20ths of their ammo is stored safely.

 

[tenbase]

Fox 29 in Philadelphia is the MOST LIBERAL ANTIGUN news station in the USA.

just a quick note, fox broadcasting network (and their affiliate stations) and fox cable news network are two different things...part of the same fox entertainment company, but separate corporate divisions.

 

[sm]

My feelings-

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=225468

 

[tellner]

So far it's all predictable from the knee-jerk calls for more gun control to the reflexive responses. Both choirs have been thoroughly preached at.

These things do seem to come in clusters. Nobody knows exactly why. My suspicion is that there is a certain number of people who are at risk for doing this sort of thing. The publicity and excitement surrounding the event and the copycat urge, not to mention the 15 minutes of usually posthumous fame, are enough to convince a few of the potentials to take action.

Still, schools are statistically safer than they've almost ever been. It's just that the perception is skewed by the nature of infotainment journalism.

And no, I don't think arming school children is a good idea.

 

[pharmer]

Gun control is already underway. Anyone who thought GWB was pro 2ndA is mistaken. Alphabet agencies ATFE in particular,are enforcing laws "already on the books". Shutting down FFL's one at a time without regard to criminal intent. Used abbreviations on 4473's for the last 20 years? Each one will cost you $1k. Own a gunshop (FFL) and have personal guns not in your bound book. Those are "lost or unaccounted for". All this by the party that gave us Ronald Reagan (machinegun ban'86). Joe

 

[Smurfslayer]

I volunteer to head up the inevitable "alphabet soup" agency.

It should be called the ASS, or the Amercian School Safety Agency

So, let me get this straight, you are going to head up A.S.S. ?

 

[sm]

And no, I don't think arming school children is a good idea.

I respectfully disagree.

Arming in the context of allowing human beings , no matter age or size , to be armed with knowledge.

Society has dumbed-down free thinking , and done everything from banning books, to you name it - so human being , even kids, are not allowed to think for themselves.

Knives. We not only took knives to school when I was a "kid" we were armed with the knowledge of reponsible ownership and use of knives. Good grief! I mean a kid may use a knife blade to get a door open, to run from evil!

We had a door get stuck during a fire drill, we used our knives, to get door unstuck from a paint job. Just a drill mind you - but fire is Evil, and if there had been a real fire, using knives to get out and to safety would have worked.

"Armed" with knowledge and having knives - is good, IMO. In my day, one was encourgaged to think , and to think outside the box. One was encourgaged to ask questions, and disagree in a civil manner.

Today "get in line citizen - gubmint going to take care of you".

Armed with knowledge, training, reponsible up-bringing - we took guns to school, we hunted before and after class. We learned metal and woodworking in shop class with guns...

...and these times were hectic, with a war going on, protests, and all.


I have no problem with a student having a firearm, on campus. Even under age 21, that commutes, has a part time job, has to get to and fro. Not one bit do I mind. IF that Kid/Student/ Minor has car trouble, having a gun in the trunk is only smart IMO.

Beats having a daughter raped and left for dead.

Armed is a deterrent, armed with knowledge, tools, and mindset - humans of any size , of any age can better survive Evil.

I am fed up with folks being denied of being armed with anything...

I mean a kid cannot have scissors in school, let me tell what scissors can do to save a life - cut someone out of a seat belt as the vehicle is on fire.

NO gun control -armed the populace and I do not care how big a human they are, or what age.

I do not care what these folks are armed with - let them be armed with something!

Put it this way , I know two 16 y/o s that have a gun in the trunk, it is there in the event car trouble hits to and fro, and these gals can shoot those pistols. They have cell phones and have practiced and been taught what to do. One ruined a wheel on her car, making it to a fire station with a flat. She was "armed" with the knowledge and training to get to a safe place. She was safe, and got assistance. A new wheel was bought. One cannot undo rape or whatever else that might have happened if she stayed where the flat first went flat.

That to me is being "armed" and I support everyone being armed - even if only a "kid" and all they have is knowledge, and little SAK.

Cut rope, jimmie a door open, take a window pane out, anything...I support it.

 

[Smurfslayer]

Maybe we should take the time normally associated with posting here to contact our elected delegation in Congress so the pro-gun folks get a seat at the table to point out that schools are currently soft targets where guns are prohibited for the citizens by law, rule, policy or otherwise.

 

[Dr.Rob]

Gov. of PA this morning : THIS IS NOT A GUN CONTROL ISSUE.

He also said it would be 'disingenuous' of the anti-gun lobby to latch itself to this tradgedy, and he's an admitted anti.

Go figure.

 

[statelineblues]

Ed Rendell (PA Gov) knows where and when to pick his battles - he tries to use this tragedy and the Repubs will bring up all the years he was mayor of Philly and did nothing about the crime rate....