And so IT Begins... The anti-gun Parade

[mustanger98]

So what are some improvised weapons a level headed student could use? I don't like going to school with all the shootings that have been going on recently and I know better than to think "it won't happen here." All I would need would be something to get me to my car alive. I've got it figured out from there.

I sometimes tell folks the school I went to was so rough the alma mater was "High Noon".

I was aquainted with this one guy... I was in the 9th grade and he was a couple of years older- he was taking a class in drafting or mechanical drawing... anyway, he was having trouble with bullies too. He used that little plastic notebook pocket... fixed it so the pointy end of his compass stuck out. From what I understand, he actually stuck somebody with it once. I don't know what damage it did. While I assume not much damage, from what I heard, that guy left him alone after that, but I had no word on any of the others.

I was in a vocational ag class that year... just about the whole room was covered up in weapons, but the bullies there knew that too and cornered that market in a hurry. Those guys carried knives... well, so did I... knives wasn't the problem. If those guys hadn't been a problem, I wouldn't have been threatened whether by their knives or by the tools laying around the room when those implements were in their hands.

You do know your car is a weapon too, don't you?

 

[mdao]

So what are some improvised weapons a level headed student could use? I don't like going to school with all the shootings that have been going on recently and I know better than to think "it won't happen here." All I would need would be something to get me to my car alive. I've got it figured out from there.

Go here for ideas.

I picked the braided belt and a hefty combo lock from high school through college.

Full book bags can also be effective weapons, as can metal rulers, pencils, small bags filled with change, the list is endless.

 

[Zen21Tao]

According to the police reports last night he had a Springfield 9mm (XD I assume), a Browning 12ga shotty, and a bolt-action 30-06. Did they find an AK? He may have owned one, but I don't think he had it with him yesterday.

It doesn't matter whether or not he actually had it. The very fact that he COULD have had such an evil weapon is all that antis need.

 

[ericman]

One of the police bigwigs being interviewed said yesterday that although he supports gun control it would not have effected this situation and it would not be proper for people to use this for anti gun agendas.

Ive noticed the news is concentrating more on the fact that the dude who did this was a pedophile and molested kids when was 12. I have heard very little talk of gun control.

 

[mons meg]

Er, what effect would removing the no-gun-in-school rule have done to prevent this latest tragedy?

The Amish are pacifists, and wouldn't carry if you told them they could.

 

[Deanimator]

I hope thats all it is and there is no other "Bans" comming.

Certainly not from the Republicans. Things are close enough that if they drive gunowners away, they're TOAST. Certainly a lot of gunowners told them that in '04. I know _I_ did.

 

[Colt]

Similar acts of violence will be identified as "Domestic Terrorism" and all known associates, sellers, gun-club buddies, speed-dial numbers, website members etc. will be "persons of interest" and with the recent elimination of habeus corpus the persons of interest will look forward to many enjoyable hours of interrogation, physical persuasion, no rights, no representation, no charges, no visitation, no trial, and a strong chance of becoming "disappeared."

Have you recently suffered a blow to the head? lol

Habeus corpus has been eliminated for US citizens? When did that happen? Possibly you are refering to the political stunt McCain perpetrated when he attempted to bestow US constitutional rights upon non-uniformed foriegn nationals who are known terrorists?

Or maybe you're refering to one of "King George's" many evil plans to dominate the world? Please identify the source of your paranoid hyberbole.

 

[Erebus]

They said he had 2 knives too

If someone says that they need to get rid of/ban/restrict guns further because of this incident ask them if they would feel better if instead of blowing their brains out he was cutting their throats.

Make them think about it and even if to your face they don't change their tune, they will see the light. You can't legislate proper behavior. Anyone who believes that a law will stop people from behaving improperly is only preparing themselves to be a victim of such behavior.

 

[blindndead]

Why

Could it be a idea to have one firearm Under lock and key in control of a headmaster or what not In a school. to defend children if something like this would happen/ Yea I do know the law but does that sound like that would fly?If a nut job walks into a school redy to Kill.

 

[The Freeholder]

3 guns and 600 rounds of ammo? They'd be carrying these bliss-ninnies out in ambulances (strokes, don'tcha know) if they looked in the average THR member's house.

Even my wife, who isn't fond of guns, has gotten over Big Brown Santa dumping a couple thousand rounds on the front porch. She knows that goes down range in a few good Saturdays.

Here's my prediction--these shootings, ex-Congressthing Foley's little faux paus, a certain growing level of discontent with the WOT, the Republicans taking a big whiz on their traditional base and 5 weeks to the election spell dire danger of a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress next session. If they do, they'll likely start off slowly, but expect to see Son of Assualt Weapon Ban in the next two years. I'd also expect some sort of ammunuition legislation as well.

We, as gun owners, may be in for some dark times ahead.

 

[Gordon Fink]

And the grieving parent asked, “Dear Lord, how could you have let this tragedy happen once again?”

And God said, “How could I stop it? They don’t let me in the schools anymore.”

Yes, children were murdered at an Amish school because “they” don’t let God in.

~G. Fink

 

[sm]

So what are some improvised weapons a level headed student could use?

Sub-Forums Strategy & Tactics and Non-Firearm Weapons offer some great ideas, and a search will also reveal various training ideas and places to consider for training.

As an older College Student myself, taking IT classes, and state statutes dictate I cannot CCW on campus:

I keep a #2 pencil and/or mechanical pencil handy ( I write with pencil a lot with figuring problems and such), I am allowed a knife, so I have small SAK, and larger one on person. While I prefer a glass container, I can use a 20 oz plastic soda , and using top, poke Adam's Apples, eyes and whatever else I have access to..

My backpack has a small screwdriver, some patch cords, more pencils/ pens and inexpensive multi-tool. No lockers, still many times I do have a spare combo lock, in my backpack, for sure one in my truck, I have used, when if needed, I am somewhere and want to lock something up. I have attended/ visited places where lockers were afforded, so I carry a lock or two...
I wear a belt, belts are great. Slip a lock on that belt, and greater...


Let me see, I have Computers, Scanners Monitors, Laptops, routers, switches, Chairs, the wooden dowels for turning overhead projectors on and off (remotes may have bad batteries, or just easier to poke on/off), Staplers, paper cutters, books...

Flower vases, candy bowls, fire extinguishers,trash cans, smoking butlers vending machines ( which I have no problem tumping over to assist in keeping a door secure)....


So I can toss, defend against, choke,strangle, garotte, tie a door shut to prevent being followed(buy time to get distance going out a fire door for instance)...bascially, any school, school room, office, and exterior -

Basically - what do I care about tearing up stuff , reeking havoc, making a mess, to use whatever I can to fight?

I don't.

I once used trash cans in a alley to scare the crap out a thug, who thought I was plumb crazy, by tossing cans, lids and acting totally 'berserk" to get him unarmed of a butcher knife, and allowed a person I was with - time and distance to get to a safer spot.

Yes I used the old little known Trash can vs Butcher Knife method. It helps to cuss, scream, and act plumb nuts. It stopped an immediate threat, and since I /us did not shoot anyone, there was none of that Problem 2 stuff to worry about.

Yeah, new metal trash cans were bought and replaced later...

I like the ones with real good handles - so you get a real good grip when you get momentum built up -

Rusty, dented ones tend to toss further, and straighter in my testing...

Point being: Software trumps Hardware.

One always has their brain with them - they do not always that Ultimate Shotgun.

Learn to "run what you brung" and less on " I gotta have a Ultimate Shotgun"

IMNSOHO

 

[Manedwolf]

Never underestimate hot coffee, either.

Whenever I go on a train or such somewhere I can't carry, I always get a typical 10,000 degree cup of coffee from Dunkin' or some other vendor.

Throwing a near-boiling liquid in someone's face is an excellent deterrent.

 

[648E]

And the grieving parent asked, "Dear Lord, how could you have let this tragedy happen once again?"

And God said, "How could I stop it? They don't let me in the schools anymore."

And I said, it's because you don't belong there.

It's a small thing we call "seperation of church and state", and since the school is part of the state...

 

[SoCalShooter]

Ammo

Its a good thing that fox does not know how much ammo I have, they would really have their heads explode. The prez is just catering right now so that the repubs dont lose in the elections its all politcal bs.

BTW ID shooting your comments were hilarious thank you.

 

[Deanimator]

We, as gun owners, may be in for some dark times ahead.

Those who plan for defeat usually achieve it...

 

[the 22 junkie]

Who's planning for it? Not me, I think he was just making an observation. What did you want us to do, talk about how well the pro-gun movement is going to do next year while discussing a school shooting? It's not gonna be all sunshine and unicorns if the Dem's take back the House and Congress.

 

[SuperiorMarksman_18]

The cops would go nuts if they knew what I had in my garage and under my bed.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Those who plan for defeat usually achieve it...

I think we need to get ready for a fight.

As everyone knows, Bush supports the AWB. He has said so many times. Even if this is only lip service, he is on the record so much about it that if a bill is sent to him, he will sign it. He would lose too much face otherwise. Also, as well all know Bush has a tendency not to use his veto power.

The Republicans are scared that their poor performance over the last 6 years is about to catch up with them. I expect them to be voted out in November. This latest controversy with Congressman Foley, and Hastert turning an apparrent blind eye isnt going to help either.

Hopefully I am wrong, and the Republicans will keep the House and Senate. But if they do lose, I suspect we will have a new AWB signed into law by the end of 2007.

 

[Manedwolf]

I'd say wait a few days. Bush's people said he's going to make a speech about some sort of school safety issues.

Let's see if it's an antigun betrayal, an actual good plan for security people in schools, or another alphabet soup agency that wastes money.

It'll only be a few days. I suggest wait and see.

 

[azredhawk44]

My official title in A.S.S. will be Head Officer of Learning & Education.

Can I be the Head Assault Trainer? (A-S-S-H-A-T)

 

[glockamolee]

Yeah,

I was just waiting for some madman to do something, something that would also get the busybodies talking about gun control.

 

[22-rimfire]

Superiormarkman18: If everything you own is legal, why would the police even care what you have in your garage or house? How you use them is the key at least that is the way the law is written now.

But then we have the Patriot Act....

My guess is that the Democrats and any anti-gun Republicans will not say much prior to the Nov '06 elections. This is probably especially true of anyone running for election. There is too much emotion emboiled in the topic and it could swing votes one way or the other at the last minute. Most folks unfortunately are just starting to pay attention to the upcoming election.

I am waiting to hear what Bush is going to say with regard to protecting our children. I guess the feds will dole out some more money to install metal detectors in all schools and two armed police to man them during school hours. Spending money makes people feel better and that is what it is all about when it comes to gun control and school safety. It is not about results unless the result is more laws and more gun control.

The mention of knives troubles me. I doubt the Amish school gunman could have accomplished what he did with a knife since he starting shooting only after the police arrived. My thought is he had other plans before the shooting was to start. Sick.

 

[44AMP]

Weapons

The one real weapon a person has is between their ears. Everything else is a tool. Some are more efficient than others, but they are not weapons. They are tools. Objects. Only human will/intent makes anything a weapon. With intent, anything can be a weapon.

Herd the kids into the corner and turn off the lights? Why not just have them bury their heads in the sand?

Anybody remember the school shooting in Oregon in the 80s (I think) or maybe the early 90s, where one of the students subdued the shooter, after being shot! This is what needs to happen.

Instead of teaching our childrfen to cower in fear, waiting helplessly for evil to find them, why not teach them to swarm a would be gunman. I don't see how any more children could be killed. Might even be a few less.

 

[Sawdust]

Quote:
My official title in A.S.S. will be Head Officer of Learning & Education.



Can I be the Head Assault Trainer? (A-S-S-H-A-T)

Sure, as long as I can be the Weapons Inspector and Pistol Expert...

Sawdust