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Merry Gun Appreciation Day!!!
I suppose I'll revive this one (briefly) since I got my hands on a UTS-12 in the LGS today! Considering how retarded prices have gone up on black plastic stuff (my 800$ Five-seveN was going for $4000 at the Mesquite Gun Show today--with takers
), I was suprised the "tactical, bullpup, black plastic, hi-cap" shotgun was listed at 1600$. KSG's at the gunshow (four of them--getting more common, finally) were over 2500$. Mossberg 500 cruisers were near 1000$ at several tables. Not a bad deal, considering...
Quick & blurry shot I took at the entrance to the show--forgive the low quality, all I had on me today was my cellphone's camera
However, I have a new shotgun project of my own (top-loading shotgun built from an inverted M37), so I merely examined the gun, and took some photos with the store's permission. At first glance, the gun is huge. Ridiculously wide, moreso than an FS2000, and very tall. It certaintly has the KSG beat in the "intimidation" department. Looked more intimidating (and larger) than the SPAS12 I saw at the show--now that's sayin' somethin'! The exterior is all injection molded plastic, and fairly thin where it wasn't structurally important (namely, those slotted-side panels that cover the mag tubes and make the gun look all "Starship Troopers" and the feed chute cover in the back).
Normally, I'd complain about how that made the gun feel cheap as hell (and those two pieces certaintly did), but the gun was just so light and handy (empty) that I'll forgive it, especially considering the flimsy pieces don't affect function. The KSGs felt at least twice as heavy (I'm not a scale, so that's purely subjective). The Kel-tec had a "net density" of solid rubber, this gun more like an AR (i.e. plastic shell with some hard stuff inside). The KSG also had poorer ergonomics, for me at least; I had to lean my head over much farther to reach the comb and align the sights. The UTS is so tall, sighting is more comfortable (though with more parallax to be sure).
I couldn't play with the KSG at the gunshow (it was all tied up), but I was allowed to fiddle with the UTS for a good 15 minutes in the gun store. Two little doors on either side of the upper reciever swing down like wings (that look like they'd snag and break off easily if left open) to expose the loading gate. At that point, loading for each tube appears just like any other tube magazine; push in a round past the catch, rinse and repeat up to 7 times. A nice thought was a slot cut down the length of each tube for easily checking their contents. Once topped off, the door must be pushed closed to release the catch, and feed the shells from that tube. That the catch is not disengaged by the pump position is the one aspect I do not care for on the controls. The pump mechanism appears (though I'm no expert) to be similar to all other common designs, aside from the tube selector lever that blocks either tube if pushed to that side (and allows for alterating feed if left centered).
A shell carrier pivots up to guide a shell from the tube, pivots down to align it with the chamber, and the bolt pushes it into position. Ejection is out the right side near the rear of the stock (I the opposite side of the frame at the ejection port is obviously non-structural plastic; I have no idea why a second ejection port wasn't added to give the shotgun full ambidexterity). Trigger was meh, but who's paying attention. I forgot to play with the safety , but it's a two-position thumb lever/knob on the left side above the hand grip. There is a little rubber button on the right side of the frame, reachable by trigger finger, that cycles the flashlight settings (if attached). The top cover over the feed chute tilts up like a car's hood for accessing the carrier.
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I suppose I'll revive this one (briefly) since I got my hands on a UTS-12 in the LGS today! Considering how retarded prices have gone up on black plastic stuff (my 800$ Five-seveN was going for $4000 at the Mesquite Gun Show today--with takers
), I was suprised the "tactical, bullpup, black plastic, hi-cap" shotgun was listed at 1600$. KSG's at the gunshow (four of them--getting more common, finally) were over 2500$. Mossberg 500 cruisers were near 1000$ at several tables. Not a bad deal, considering...
Quick & blurry shot I took at the entrance to the show--forgive the low quality, all I had on me today was my cellphone's camera
However, I have a new shotgun project of my own (top-loading shotgun built from an inverted M37), so I merely examined the gun, and took some photos with the store's permission. At first glance, the gun is huge. Ridiculously wide, moreso than an FS2000, and very tall. It certaintly has the KSG beat in the "intimidation" department. Looked more intimidating (and larger
) than the SPAS12 I saw at the show--now that's sayin' somethin'! The exterior is all injection molded plastic, and fairly thin where it wasn't structurally important (namely, those slotted-side panels that cover the mag tubes and make the gun look all "Starship Troopers" and the feed chute cover in the back).
Normally, I'd complain about how that made the gun feel cheap as hell (and those two pieces certaintly did), but the gun was just so light and handy (empty
) that I'll forgive it, especially considering the flimsy pieces don't affect function. The KSGs felt at least twice as heavy (I'm not a scale, so that's purely subjective). The Kel-tec had a "net density" of solid rubber, this gun more like an AR (i.e. plastic shell with some hard stuff inside). The KSG also had poorer ergonomics, for me at least; I had to lean my head over much farther to reach the comb and align the sights. The UTS is so tall, sighting is more comfortable (though with more parallax to be sure).I couldn't play with the KSG at the gunshow (it was all tied up), but I was allowed to fiddle with the UTS for a good 15 minutes in the gun store. Two little doors on either side of the upper reciever swing down like wings (that look like they'd snag and break off easily if left open) to expose the loading gate. At that point, loading for each tube appears just like any other tube magazine; push in a round past the catch, rinse and repeat up to 7 times. A nice thought was a slot cut down the length of each tube for easily checking their contents. Once topped off, the door must be pushed closed to release the catch, and feed the shells from that tube. That the catch is not disengaged by the pump position is the one aspect I do not care for on the controls. The pump mechanism appears (though I'm no expert) to be similar to all other common designs, aside from the tube selector lever that blocks either tube if pushed to that side (and allows for alterating feed if left centered).
A shell carrier pivots up to guide a shell from the tube, pivots down to align it with the chamber, and the bolt pushes it into position. Ejection is out the right side near the rear of the stock (I the opposite side of the frame at the ejection port is obviously non-structural plastic; I have no idea why a second ejection port wasn't added to give the shotgun full ambidexterity). Trigger was meh, but who's paying attention
. I forgot to play with the safety , but it's a two-position thumb lever/knob on the left side above the hand grip. There is a little rubber button on the right side of the frame, reachable by trigger finger, that cycles the flashlight settings (if attached). The top cover over the feed chute tilts up like a car's hood for accessing the carrier.
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