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Another concealed carry poll. Opinions please?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by EMace, Oct 25, 2010.

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Choose 2 Please.

  1. Sig P229

    26 vote(s)
    15.8%
  2. Sig P239

    30 vote(s)
    18.2%
  3. HK 2000

    18 vote(s)
    10.9%
  4. Glock 23

    55 vote(s)
    33.3%
  5. 1911

    51 vote(s)
    30.9%
  6. Other

    79 vote(s)
    47.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. EMace

    EMace Member

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    I am interested in purchasing 2 .40 cal weapons.

    I plan on carrying both weapons on me. 1 owb/iwb depending on what kind of mood I am in, and the backup in a shoulder holster under a light jacket/zip up hoodie.

    My question is, which 2 of these choices are easy and comfortable to conceal, fun to shoot at the range, easy to aim (I say this because it is very hard for me to aim with the factory sights on my XDm but easy with the factory sights on my wifes hi-point.), and 100% reliable.

    Please provide a brief explanation of why you would pick what you voted for.

    If you voted for 1911 or other, please tell me what model you would choose.

    I am a new shooter and I will be checking each of these weapons out at the gunstore, your opinion may help to point me in the right direction.

    Your feedback will be much appreciated.
     
  2. bds

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    I voted other - Glock 27.

    Just about the smallest package (I prefer the +1 Pearce grip mag base extension) and the option to use G22/G23 mags as spares.

    Very accurate and controllable. Drop in a Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel and have fun shooting 9mm at the range or for practice.
     
  3. bigfatdave

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    two springfield EMPs, so they share mags ... the answer is obvious.
     
  4. jim243

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    Interesting, 6 people voted but no one posted!! As of now.

    What throws me is you want two 40 S&Ws! Not exactly what I would call a backup caliber, more like a main gun caliber. But so be it.

    The most concealable would be a three inch, mine is a Taurus PT-140 and love it (10 rounds, 3 inch barrel and very concealable) and accruate to 25 feet. Main gun is a FNP-40 (14 rounds, 4 inch barrel) and very reliable and accurate. And this would ride in a shoulder holster as the main gun. I've used shoulder holsters for over 40 years and have no problem with a cross draw (my prefered method of carry).

    I am sure others will pipe in soon. 40s are not exactly easy to conceal because of the double stacks, but it can be done.

    Good luck
    Jim
     
  5. REAPER4206969

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    Glock model 23.

    Any other answer is simply wrong. [​IMG]
     
  6. Dionysusigma

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    All are fine choices. I picked the H&K P2000 for comfort, reliability, accuracy, and I like the fact that it's completely ambidextrous. I also picked the P229 for the same reasons (but it's basically right-hand only).

    Thing is, most of your choices are about the same difficulty to aim as the XD(m), save for buying aftermarket (custom) sights or painting them like the Hi-Point (crude, but effective solution).

    The key factors remaining, then, are weight and ergonomics. I'd carry a Glock in a heartbeat if their finger grooves sat right--as it is, they poke directly into the center of my fingers, and I can't even stand to hold them, much less actually shoot them. I'd carry an all-steel 1911 if it wasn't so dang heavy.

    If I could go back and vote on a third .40, it would be "other," with the suggestion you try out a Kahr PM40 or CW40, as they're easily concealed, light, and comfortable (at least to me). :)
     
  7. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    I also picked the P2000 also for comfort, reliability, accuracy, and the fact that it's completely ambidextrous.

    Honorable mention to the G23 though because it might be one of the easiest pistols ever to find holsters/accessories for.
     
  8. aussieman

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    I just bought a P30, which may become my new carry weapon; however, I own a 1911 and a 229, but I carry a Walther P99.

    That was my first pistol I legally bought because I was 21 and thought James Bond was cool as ****. Because of this I trained with the P99. A LOT. I became proficient with that weapon and since I've learned to carry in almost any situation with that gun, that is my carry choice.

    I've been a lurker on a bunch of boards and usually search and read a lot, but one thing I've realized is that most of these questions can't be answered across the internet. You need to try each one and see what works for you. The P30 I just ordered fits my hand perfectly, is light and small enough for me to conceal, and the ergonomics appear that this will replace my P99. It may suck for you, but for me I think it's going to be the tits.

    That being said: I would steer away from the 1911 as it is metal framed and a bit heavier. Also, it was designed for .45. I don't want to start a debate, but I like it better as a 45.

    The 229 is a bit heavy for me for every day CCW. And for as large as the grip was in my hand, it should hold more than 12 rounds. I have a 357 barrel for it that's fun, but I feel there are better choices for CCW, especially that you're going to be carrying 2 pistols and probably some extra mags.
     
  9. aussieman

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    My 229 is in SS so it's a bit heavier than most, but the 229 in SAS that's been dehorned and made for carry is lighter and obviously has been built for carry duty. Still, just didn't compare to my P99, but that brings me back to get what works for you. Try them all out, ask for a holster and see how it fits for you.
     
  10. uspJ

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    I went with the glock 23 and other for the glock 27. You would have the same manual of arms, and could share the mags of the 23.
     
  11. Big Bill

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    None of the above...
     
  12. bds

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    aussieman, excellent post.
     
  13. EMace

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    Strange, but for some reason, your reply is in no way helpful. Please don't take out your indifference towards life on my thread.
     
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  14. DonRon

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    Glock 26 has been mine for several years now
     
  15. Jed Carter

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    Get both SIGs with the tritium night sights. If you go with a 1911 I use the SIG RCS commander length slide on an officer size frame, very concealable. Good other alternative would be the 9mm CZ PCR, I am a SIG man own 6 now, but my daily carry weapon is the CZ PCR. It is just the right size and shape. The 9mm can get the job done with lower muzzle rise than a .40 in my experience, thus faster follow up shots on target.
     
  16. Girodin

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    OP wants a .40.

    No in .40 but I have a 1911, a G19 and a Sig 229. I like the sig but it is big thick and heavy. If you are carrying two guns then you may not like one of them being big and heavy. I also am not a fan of the rather high bore axis of the sigs. One thing to consider is how you feel about DA/SA. Some like it some despise it.

    1911s, I like them. The draw back is they are often a bit more "fussy" than polymer striker fired guns. That said they are thin conceal well and are amongst the best shooters for me. If it is a 1911 I know runs I'd be happy to have it as a carry gun. Again one draw back here is weight. A 5" 1911 is not a light gun. You could get a smaller lighter model. What 1911s are you looking at? Another draw back is that the thin grip comes at the price of magazine capacity.

    I like glocks. While I personally opt for a 19 over a 23, the 23 is a great gun. They make a good carry gun and I don't have anything bad to say about them.

    A glock 27 is also worth looking at although there is a good argument that the 27 really isn't much easier to conceal than a 23.

    I'm not sure I personally would want to carry two dramatically different guns at the same time as carry guns. I do not know what your rational is but I will try to lay out my way of thinking and the foundations for that premise.

    I believe what is likely to be the most outcome determinative factor in a gun fight is how well one can shoot and run their gun. Repeated practice and consistency come into play. I carry a bug that is dramatically different from my primary gun but that is because it is a little pocket pistol. Unless it is just an excuse to buy two different guns I might consider two of the same model (if you really feel the need to carry to guns of that size) or similar models such as some combo of the Glock 22/23/27. If they are going to be the same size then consistency between the two makes sense to me. Same trigger, controls in the same place, point the same, feel the same, etc.

    In all honesty all of the guns listed could be used defensively and what your preferences are will matter the most.

    If I was just going to buy two guns on your list and one of them would be my primary carry gun then I would get the 23 and 1911. If for whatever reason I really wanted to carry two big guns at the same time then I would probably carry either two 1911s or two glocks and a spare mag that fit them both.
     
  17. Girodin

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    You've been involved in a defensive shooting with the 9mm? I do agree however, that the 9mm is as good if not a better choice. The difference in the effect of rounds with quality ammo seems to be negligable. Where as the difference in follow up shots and/or capacity might not be and are bigger factors for me.
     
  18. SKILCZ

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    If you insist on .40 S&W, get a CZ P-07.
     
  19. Sapper771

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    I voted Glock 23 and other. Other being a Glock 27.

    Both are 40cal., concealable, light, reliable, and accurate. The Glock 23 mags can be used in both, with the option of using the Glock 22 mags. Most parts are interchangeable. The Glocks are also the most economical choice on your list.

    Either way, Good Luck.
     
  20. DasFriek

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    I cant recommend anything as the way you want to do your carrying makes picking guns hard. You have issues with the sight picture of smaller and mid sized guns, But want 2.

    Using a shoulder holster is hard to do all the time and you will be left with one gun you cant conceal once in a while. Or two guns that need to be worn IWB which is very hard to do.

    Imo, I suggest you find 1 gun first. Pick it out specifically as a gun you know you can always carry and always conceal and easy enough to see the sight picture.
    You can experiment with many holsters and ways of carrying that gun and try and find 3 places you can comfortably carry it.
    Then once your that far in try imagining carrying and concealing two of those, I doubt you will want to in the end.

    As a second gun/Back-up i advise you go smaller and not the same size.
    You will most likely want a smaller .380/9mm single stack back-up you can throw in a back pocket in a holster and it wont demand you wear a jacket.

    I like .40 double stacks as main guns, But prefer .45's and the full sized 1911.
    I used to carry a back-up and got away from it and sold them, But id like to get another.
    Not so much for the reason of carrying two guns. But for the reason of if im in a hurry and dont have to to holster up i can just throw it in my back pocket and go.
    Or if its gonna be a strenuous day with alot of movement and bending over id like an easy small gun that wont restrict my movements.

    I like 5" 1911's but its no beginners ccw gun as it can be hard to find the right way to carry.
    Id suggest a compact or mid sized .40 of high quality, And invest in good belts and holsters also. 1 holster wont do it all either, Try your shoulder holster with it too.
    Then once you get that to where you like it look into a backup gun that will fit your needs in both size and firepower.
    My favorite backup was the Sig P238 despite all the bad press you read here on it.
    A Walther PPS 9mm isnt a pocket gun but i could back pocket carry it with a handmade cover.
    Keltec PF9 and PF11 are well liked guns for backups with great firepower.

    Even tho i don't recommend a 5" 1911 as a first ccw gun a mid sized 4" would be a great one. 3" 1911's can be good but round count goes down and they can be finicky guns and not the best for a new 1911 owner to learn how to fix small issues.

    Glocks and SpringField XD's are great guns and i suggest the mid sized guns. I carry an XD subcompact .40 with high cap spare mag when im not carrying my 5" 1911 which the 1911 is on my 80% of the time and i use the XD in hot weather were clothing is hard to conceal the larger gun.

    Sig 239 especially the SAS version has always been one of my drool guns.
    The HK P2000SK is a gun i think i like as well as any 1911 looks wise and thats hard to do. Neither of these two ive shot or owned.
     
  21. The Bushmaster

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    I agree with Big Bill. "None of the above." His answer didn't sound like an "indifference towards life." Sounded more like an opinion and that's what you asked for. Because I don't agree with your choices doesn't mean I'm indifferent towards life. It just means that I carry a Kimber UCC II or a S&W M19 or a M43 Firestar or a Colt 1911.
     
  22. Mags

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    Glock 23 and M&P 40c, or Glock 23 and Glock 32.
     
  23. moonman16

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    I carry a NEW YORK RELOAD, depending upon the weather and clothing worn, a 1911 or a Kahr PM45 along with a S&W J-Frame or a Ruger LCP. To quote Thunder Ranch's Clint Smith, "One is none, two is one, and three is better."
     
  24. Mags

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    The Springfield EMP 40 just popped in my head, it will make a fine backup to a Glock 23. But if you go with a Glock 27 you can use Glock 23 mags in you bug!
     
  25. G27RR

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    If you go with a 1911, take a look at the STI Ranger II. I have a pair in 9mm and .45 and they're outstanding 4.25" models. If you want even smaller, checkout the Shadow or Escort models in 3" officer size. I think you can get all those in .40 but you may have to order them.

    If you want something other than 1911, the Kahr PM40 or CW40 should get a look, and maybe the Glock 27 but it'll be thicker than any of the others I mentioned.
     
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