Another confirmation: 33rd. 9mm G18 mags found on shooter

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Proof?

I have not heard what kind of magazines he used.

Just that the 'firearms experts' on cable have speculated he had 15 rounders.

I think he bought a bunch of 10 rounders on clearance.
 
thedpp said:
They can ban glocks for all I care I own one and dont plan on buying another one ever.
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What an ignorant comment!!!

If you are willing to let other people's rights be taken away, then you are not deserving of your own rights.
 
I don't see why it should matter what the magazine capacity was. whether it was two 30 rounders or six 10 rounders, the end result would have been, and is, the same. If someone want to kill other people, they are going to do so. Making them carry more magazines is not a deterrent. Making them obtain a permit is not a deterrent. Making a campus a gun free zone is not a deterrent. Nothing the law can do short of "minority report" (the movie) will prevent murder. If they cant buy a gun from a shop they will obtain one illegally. The only thing we CAN do to is bring our children up properly, and make the effort to educate and arm the people.
 
Regardless of the 33rd or 19rd magazines, there seems to already be calls for a mag. size limit under the guise of "common sense" restrictions.

From the WSJ:

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said there still might be adjustments that can be made in the shootings' wake, such as limiting the size of ammunition clips. "We're talking reasonable, common sense restrictions," he said. "If a little more red tape is going to decrease the yellow tape of a crime scene, that's an inconvenience" most people are willing to accept.
 
I dunno.. all this talk about standard capacity magazines is a moot point. California, Hawaii, and several other states mandate no more than 10 round magazines, and we have higher crime than anywhere else, go figure.. It's not the capacity, it's the fact that us, the law abiding, cannot carry to defend ourselves regardless of where. I have yet to see whether he had standard cap mags, 10 round mags or whatever. My question is, he had to have gone to slide lock at some point, why did no one realize he was at slide lock and rush the guy? Ok, he had the 22 also, well, if he had both guns in his hands how was he able to reload one of them? Something here doesn't add up. We don't even know if no one did try to stop him. Someone might have but we'll not know any of this until the investigation is over. If he still had ammo, why was it that he didn't continue? We the public may never know all the facts.

Vince
 
Why the gratuitous Glock-bashing? I don't get it. We all know the Glock is one of--if not the only--great handgun designs of all time. We need to band together to make sure we still have it, and its ancillaries, available to us.
 
So the other thread that touched on this G18 mag issue has been closed, so I'll post my reply from last night in here, which is titled specifically referencing the topic of the 33rd magazines:

As of last night:
Well, so far, this is the first printed mention of hi cap mags on a news site...but I'm still looking...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18170761/

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Because he killed and injured so many victims in a short span of time, some people speculated that Cho used high-capacity magazines containing as many as 33 rounds in each clip.

So it seems 'some people' speculated this, and so maybe others reported it and forgot the 'speculation' part???



Here's one that says 'probably' had 33 rds

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGOUPAJ141.DTL

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Shooter's guns ...
The guns used by 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui were weapons probably fitted with high-capacity magazines able to hold 33 rounds per clip.


Here's one that state it 'could' hold 33rds
http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...PN24041907.htm

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or even those who might indict the shopkeeper who sold Cho the Glock 9mm pistol that could hold up to 33 rounds:


Well, I can't find anything definitive, just a bunch of duplicates to the above, speculation, could hold, can hold, possibly might hold, etc.

Karz
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So, I still haven't seen anything on this, only speculation, and optional capacity quoted, I've not seen anything indicating he had those magazines on him.

As a matter of fact, HERE is the FIRST report I've seen about ANYTHING claimed to be on him in this regard:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/REPOSITORY/704180366/1013/NEWS03

Law enforcement officials say that the Glock Cho used had a 15-round ammunition magazine, banned under the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. Several empty magazines were recovered at the scene.

"If you have four or five rounds in a clip rather than 15, the shooter has to reload and reload," said Brian Malte, with the Brady Campaign, a gun safety group. "That gives someone an opportunity to do something to stop him."
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I'm interested in any credible printed material either way.

Karz
 
*DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT ADVOCATING BANNING MAGAZINES*

That's the rationale behind the hi-cap mag bans I think.

For example, you cant get 33rd glock mags in CA unless you know someone who has one and take it from them.. or maybe a cop buys one for you. You cant get them off the shelf in the store and no gun shops from the Internet will ship them here.

If this kid had bought his Glock in CA and went on a rampage, he would have had to carry three 10 round mags for every 33rounder. He would have had to reload 3 times as much, which conceivably would have given someone time to tackle him.

Of course reloading takes all of 3 seconds, so who knows what would have happen. Supposedly he stopped to reload during the massacre and know one grabbed him, so it's pretty much just all speculation.
 
Actually, I rarely practice anymore, but I'd bet a 12 pack that I can slap a fresh mag (carried in my left hip pocket) in my G23 and have her ready to rock in less than 1.5 seconds.

Biker
 
see the thing about 'if he'd had to reload someone could have stopped him' is the simple fact that he had two guns.

If he only is reloading one of them, that means that there is one thats always loaded and ready.

so it doesn't really matter if he has 33 round mags or not.
 
glockarmourer40517

trashing glocks? ....you just dont know any better, ive worked in 2 gunshoped, owned EVERYTHING....there is nothing more reliable than a glock, has few parts than any other, LOW bore axis.......and the ONLY handgun that can be 100% stripped complete in under few mins WITHOUT tools.
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Umm, okay, so you've worked in 2 "gunshoped" and owned EVERYTHING, but you believe that the Glock is the "ONLY handgun that can 100% be stripped complete in under a few mins WITHOUT tools"?????

I guess this is why the term "errornet" is sometimes so appropriate. :scrutiny:
 
Nobody is going to ban anything without your consent. Are you going to consent or are you going to explain to your representatives that you will replace them if they do not express your will?

It sounds simple, and in some ways it is; but at the end of the day, that is what it comes down to. Nobody can ban anything unless you allow them to.
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+100

Make sure it DOESN'T happen.

It is not "written."
 
Something tells me that the shooter didn't have to do a very quick reload if people were cowering or playing dead. sounds like he took his time.

You probably won't care, but count me as a fan of the Glock platform. My only complaint about Glocks is that I don't have enough of 'em.

The only gun I truly hate is the one that I don't have when I absolutely positively desperately need it.
 
I've actually read a few reports that said he would pause for minutes at a time, and reload during the pauses. If thats the case, he could've had a five shot revolver and still done as much damage.
 
Sargenv said:
My question is, he had to have gone to slide lock at some point, why did no one realize he was at slide lock and rush the guy?
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From reports I heard, he was shooting people three times. If he had 10 round magazines, he would never have to go to slide lock. He could shoot three people and then change mags with one in the pipe.

You are also assuming that anyone (or enough people) in the classroom knows what it means when a slide locks back on a semi-auto.
 
"If you have four or five rounds in a clip rather than 15, the shooter has to reload and reload," said Brian Malte, with the Brady Campaign, a gun safety group. "That gives someone an opportunity to do something to stop him."
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The fact that they DID find magazines (empty) and 15 round mags , 32 people , 3 wounds each (not to include wounded still alive) means he reloaded at least 4 times . Is there a set number of reloads before someone reacts?


edit : Just said on the news they found 17 mags in the school . That's a lot of reloads .
 
Ok, I was unable to find anything like this before, but now I see a story on MSNBC stating that *SOME* of the 17 magazines found were 33rds, and others, I assume most, were 15 rds, which is std for the G19...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18209746/

But inside the classroom building, investigators say they found a surprising number of handgun magazines, or clips — 17. Some, officials say, were high-capacity magazines that hold 33 rounds. That means, investigators say, that Cho may have fired at least 200 times during his killing spree on Monday.
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There's a bad quote in there from an ex ATF guy too, saying the hollow points have no use in SD, but are designed for killing.. this is already being hashed out in another thread...

Karz
 
My question is, he had to have gone to slide lock at some point, why did no one realize he was at slide lock and rush the guy? Ok, he had the 22 also, well, if he had both guns in his hands how was he able to reload one of them? Something here doesn't add up. We don't even know if no one did try to stop him. Someone might have but we'll not know any of this until the investigation is over. If he still had ammo, why was it that he didn't continue? We the public may never know all the facts.
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That's the thing that gets me, too. I can only assume that he got bored, or thought he'd killed enough to make his statement. I can not think of any other rational explanation for why he'd stop while still having ammo.

As for reloads, yeah - I don't undersand why he wasn't rushed. Even if he paused between reloads, it'd take a moment to get the .22 to bear on the target from wherever he had it.

I did hear someone say at the range tonight that they'd heard that he reloaded very quickly when he did reload - 2 seconds flat, is what they'd said. I don't think that's likely, and can't find any information to that effect. You'd have to practice a LOT to get that kind of reload time, and his shooting accuracy doesn't seem to suggest that he spent much time at the range - thank God.

I'm looking forward to getting more information on this topic, because then we can put this bastard's memory to rest once we've gotten the facts. I'm growing weary of it, but my curiosity is such that I feel the need to find out what, exactly, happened. And, my psyche needs to know that more than just an old Jewish professor tried to stop him.
 
Originally Posted by thedpp
They can ban glocks for all I care I own one and dont plan on buying another one ever.
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Trying to take the high road here but can't...

What an idiotic statement.
 
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