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another gun cleaning death (two actually)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Harvster, Jul 8, 2008.

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  1. Harvster

    Harvster Member

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377861,00.html

    From the associated press


    I will never understand how you clean a loaded gun.
     
  2. ByAnyMeans

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    I can never understand it either(sp). I have trouble with this to because if your foolish enough to do it hopefully you don't die and learn your lesson. I'm sure this person would be much more careful considering he shot his hand. Unfortunatley you get innocents being hurt.

    I suspect alot of "gun cleanings" in reality are people messing with their gun and have a ND.
     
  3. Nagant

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    Whenever I hear of someone "accidently" shooting someone while "cleaning their gun" I get a very dubious feeling... from my standpoint, how could this happen? The first thing you do is unload the gun.... not a hard concept....
     
  4. CountGlockula

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    No muzzle discipline.
     
  5. psyopspec

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    This is a senseless tragedy. Has he "learned his lesson?" I assure you he'll be thinking about this for the rest of his life.
     
  6. 30 cal slob

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    read last para.



     
  7. FCFC

    FCFC Has Never Owned a Gun

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    No, that's the first thing you do. And that you do ....and that you over there do....

    Somewhere in the population of all gun cleaning events (millions of events), there comes a time when he doesn't do it....and another time when he doesn't do it either...and of those guys who don't do it.....a few will then also pull the trigger....

    Of course it can happen. It's very predictable. Clean a couple hundred million guns a year and it is guaranteed to happen. To him. And him, too.

    Next year, same thing.
     
  8. DFW1911

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    Guns going off while being cleaned always confuse me.

    If it's an auto, maybe he left a loaded magazine in it, then chambered a round when he was reassembling it.

    With a revolver he either missed a round in the cylinder or left some rounds in it to give it a "quick cleaning."

    I bet he thought he was dry-firing when he pulled the trigger. Now he has to think about the outcome of his actions, which he'll probably do every day for the rest of his life.
     
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  9. damien

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  10. damien

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    Marrying a three-times convicted felon turns out to be a stupid move. Who could have foreseen something bad happening to this woman?
     
  11. Rugerlvr

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    I certainly hope he's been arrested on weapons charges. Felon possessing a gun and all.
     
  12. Mr White

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    Sounds very fishy. What a convenient way to get out of an unwaned marriage AND get rid of an unwanted child. And all it cost him is a bullet wound to the weak hand.

    Hopefully it'll cost him a lot more than that with ANOTHER posession by a convicted felon conviction hopefully in his future.

    My money's on a lot more facts being uncovered in this case by the time it reaches trial.
     
  13. Cosmoline

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    My radar goes up whenever I hear that excuse. It no doubt does actually happen from time to time, but it's also a great way to cover a suicide or murder.
     
  14. skinewmexico

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    Wonder if it was a Glock. One of our local cops shot his supervisor in the cleaning room here a few months ago.
     
  15. FCFC

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    Is GLOCK the only handgun design that requires the trigger to be pulled to disassemble the gun?

    Do M&Ps or XDs, for example, require it?
     
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    Well, I discussed this on another site and it's unlikely that the guy is smart enough to shoot through his own hand to fool police/prove that it's not pre-meditated murder. It also takes guts.


    This is what I think:

    I wonder how many "negligent discharges" are called "cleaning accidents" when the reporting party calls 911.

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  17. usmarine0352_2005

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    Lot of conspiracy theorist on here, lol.

    I think "negligent discharges" happen quite often and are covered up. I can say, it's actually been done by someone I know, twice.

    Would anyone think that the youtube FBI agent who shot his "Glock FOWDY" in the school classroom really intentially meant to do it?


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  18. wyocarp

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    I guess questions need to be asked, but it can and does happen just this way. When I was a teenager, I was cleaning the guns after a hunting trip. I ran my hand down the rifle with a cleaning rag and bumped the trigger. I guess in the excitement of getting a nice moose, a round was left in the chamber and somehow that rifle wasn't checked while packing up the rifles to come home even though it was part of the ritual.

    The 30-06 rifle went off, probably just barely missing my head and going up through the floor joist and into my dresser in my room. The bullet stopped in my dresser, about 8 inches away from a baby sleeping on the floor in room that my mother watching for someone.

    Accidential discharges do happen and I would venture to say that they happen more often than people on here admit.

    What's the difference?
     
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  19. M1911

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    3 time felon has an "accident" while cleaning his gun, killing his pregnant wife? Color me skeptical.
     
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    Kahr pistols do.
     
  21. mbt2001

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    If you follow even 1 of the four rules, no one will die. In order for people to die all of the 4 rules had to be violated at the same time....
     
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    Not to mention cleaning it where the barrell happens to be pointing towards her stomach..... And to top it off why in the world would you pull the trigger, even knowing its a cleared chamber, with your hand in the way of the barrell.
     
  23. makarovnik

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    I hope he goes to jail for manslaughter. I also doubt the story about the gun going off while cleaning it. I wonder if this may have happened while he was simply wiping it down. I also wonder if he shot them on purpose and just claimed he was "cleaning it". Anyway, this is sometimes the price we pay for freedom.

    My prayers are with the family.
     
  24. ColinthePilot

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    I don't get this, but I always field strip my guns to clean them, so every time I clean a gun, it is mechanically incapable of firing. I also clean from the breech, so theres no way it can be chambered. I had an almost-scare the other day. I came home from a month long trip and was getting ready to go shoot, pulled my pistol out of the case, went to clear it, and found the chamber empty, but the mag full. I had forgotten there was one in the pistol. No big deal, but it shows the importance of clearing every gun, every time.
     
  25. wyocarp

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    I guess I told my story to say that a gun can go off without a deliberate act of pulling the trigger while wiping a gun down. I'm not saying this guy is without guilt, but it could easily happen no matter what his past is.
     
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