Yukonstorm
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The person should be banned from the range. Its not a mistake, its carelessness. There's no room for that when at a range.
Another gun range mistake
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At the range that I go to, the range master calls for a cease fire and everybody puts there handguns down on the bench. Everybody backs away from the bench and he puts up a rope. You can't go past the rope back to the bench until he drops the rope. That only happens after everybody is back from downrange and the commence fire command is given.
jcwit
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We have no idea, for all we know this was his first time there.
jcwit
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Do you feel the same way about mistakes and/or mishaps while driving a 2,000 lb vehicle.
In reality mistakes happen, we do not live in a perfect world, some may think they do, but the fact is they're only fooling themselves.
Yep, I completely agree. As egregious a violation of safety and policy as this was, mistakes do happen. Very fortunately, no one was injured or worse.
I would send him home for sure, if only because he is rattled by the transgression and should not be shooting. Also give him more time to think about it all. Would also have a chat with him before he leaves to be sure he is rattled. If he's not, I'd worry about allowing him to return at all. Also worth checking to know if his disability requires some form of accommodation if possible before he shoots again.
But yea, lighten up. Handling these situations with some grace is a sign of a civilized society.
BSA1
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Yeah, I guess they should be banned for not reading the guy's mind
No, not read his mind but waited until they visually saw him acknowledged the cease fire command. When I am on my club's range I wait until I am sure everyone on the line has cleared their guns and stepped away from the bench.
Oh, the police do give verbal warnings for traffic offenses in some areas of the country.
No, not read his mind but waited until they visually saw him acknowledged the cease fire command. When I am on my club's range I wait until I am sure everyone on the line has cleared their guns and stepped away from the bench.
Oh, the police do give verbal warnings for traffic offenses in some areas of the country.
Well, let's assume his vacating the bench did not mean he understood, what excuse do you offer for his failure to recognize the individuals downrange were live humans and not just targets? At my range we ensure the range is clear before picking up a firearm...and we don't blame individual mistakes on other shooters.
So give my suggestion a try. Keep us posted.
BSA1
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Well, let's assume his vacating the bench did not mean he understood, what excuse do you offer for his failure to recognize the individuals downrange were live humans and not just targets? At my range we ensure the range is clear before picking up a firearm...and we don't blame individual mistakes on other shooters.
Exactly. There has been nothing posted that the other four shooters ensured the range was clear before going downrange.
In your Post 89 you commented on strict enforcement of range rules. This should be by all parties involved.
Please reread my Post 99. I feel all five shooters contributed to the incident.
Oh, the police do give verbal warnings for traffic offenses in some areas of the country.
So give my suggestion a try. Keep us posted.
All I can say is you are unfortunate that the police in your community do not give warnings. I've got a warning ticket stuck in the glovebox from last time I was stopped.
Exactly. There has been nothing posted that the other four shooters ensured the range was clear before going downrange.
In your Post 89 you commented on strict enforcement of range rules. This should be by all parties involved.
Please reread my Post 99. I feel all five shooters contributed to the incident.
Oh, the police do give verbal warnings for traffic offenses in some areas of the country.
So give my suggestion a try. Keep us posted.
All I can say is you are unfortunate that the police in your community do not give warnings. I've got a warning ticket stuck in the glovebox from last time I was stopped.
If the shooters walked downrange before the range was declared cold, I agree. Unless the OP is fudging the details, that is not the case. If the RO declared the range cold and it was not, he should be disciplined. In the past I have suspended one person for walking forward of the line while declared hot and stripped an RO of his responsibilities for not following procedures...the shooter still retains final responsibility for his actions.
Informative.
jcwit
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Only ever had 2 tickets in my 68 years, and they never involved another driver or pedestrian, and have never been banned from driving, for any length of time, not even close. Plus up until my retirement I normally drove 30,000 to 50,000 miles per year.
Hope that clarifies it.
As I stated, we do not live in a perfect world, whether one wishes to believe it or not.
Screw-ups happen.
An imperfect world doesn't give anyone a free pass.
When you were issued the two tickets was a fine assessed?
I have no problem with verbal warnings IF the situation warrants such. This event called for something a little stronger. Locally, 30 day suspension and meet the BoD. Some clubs have different standards.
jcwit
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In one case it was a warning, in the other, yes I paid the fine. But in neither was I banned from driving as many wish to ban this gentleman for screwing- up and totally removing hiom from the shooting sports.
You have no idea if a 30 day suspension is warranted or not, unless of course you were there, which you were not. You're dealing with supposition only.
With the information available, a suspension is warrantied.
I have not mentioned a ban, but I have been involved with banning several individuals from our range. None of them were banned from the shooting sports. They are free to endanger folks elsewhere.
jcwit
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As I stated, pure supposition.
Judge, Jury, Hangman, all rolled into one.
"totally removing him from the shooting sports."
A wee bit overly dramatic, are we not? The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to use a specific range. That is a priviledge. Being suspended or banned from a single range is hardly an infringement of "rights", much less "totally removing him from the shooting sports".
At the public range I used to shoot at, what he did would have immediately gotten him ejected. More minor infractions would have gotten a verbal warning.
At my private range where I now do all of my shooting, things are more controlled and individually observed so it likely would have gotten some stern words and probably not invited back.
As for the auto analogy, 1) it is a poor one for several reasons, and 2) we should be a lot harder on people that we are.
A wee bit overly dramatic, are we not? The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to use a specific range. That is a priviledge. Being suspended or banned from a single range is hardly an infringement of "rights", much less "totally removing him from the shooting sports".
At the public range I used to shoot at, what he did would have immediately gotten him ejected. More minor infractions would have gotten a verbal warning.
At my private range where I now do all of my shooting, things are more controlled and individually observed so it likely would have gotten some stern words and probably not invited back.
As for the auto analogy, 1) it is a poor one for several reasons, and 2) we should be a lot harder on people that we are.
jcwit
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That is your opinion.
Possibly, depending on the infraction.
Well It wasn't my idea or my post that stated this, being dramatic or not, check out post # 88
larryh1108
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You do sound like a legend.... in your own mind!
That's original. Got any more?You do sound like a legend.... in your own mind!
larryh1108
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Nah, it looks like you got a handle on everything.
Onward Allusion
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People make mistakes and I would have sent him home for the day. No tearing of any new ones needed. Definitely a write-up event, but he would be allowed to come back another day.
Yarddog
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When range I use to go to before I got a exclusive club membership, Under 7
indaviduals. We Hollered COLD & waited till we got a Cold from EVERYONE on the line, Untill then no one in front of line bar non.
Glad I don't got to deal with the public on range I go to now,, I feel much better. Only members I run into don't shoot much at all, So all in all I'm happy
To each his own.
I feel for those guys that have to ride very far just to shoot, Me 10 min & I'm set up & shooting. Stay safe watch everyone and anyone JMO ; )
Y/D
indaviduals. We Hollered COLD & waited till we got a Cold from EVERYONE on the line, Untill then no one in front of line bar non.
Glad I don't got to deal with the public on range I go to now,, I feel much better. Only members I run into don't shoot much at all, So all in all I'm happy
To each his own.
I feel for those guys that have to ride very far just to shoot, Me 10 min & I'm set up & shooting. Stay safe watch everyone and anyone JMO ; )
Y/D
Gads, my thread was more of an FYI to watch your back, and has grown into a monster.
Okay, last post for me. When the range was called cold, everyone did put down their firearms and did back away from the bench. What "may" have happened was that the shooter in question had gone to his car for something and came back. I saw things starting at the point where he was walking toward the bench, picked up the pistol and aimed it downrange - hence the yelling. So it is possible that he didn't hear the "cold" command if he wasn't in the area (or even if he was.) But then we're right back to him observing his target that's next to a person with his back to him.
Anyway, this thread has gotten the message across to always be aware of those around you at the range (this was at a private range BTW.)
I'm out.
Okay, last post for me. When the range was called cold, everyone did put down their firearms and did back away from the bench. What "may" have happened was that the shooter in question had gone to his car for something and came back. I saw things starting at the point where he was walking toward the bench, picked up the pistol and aimed it downrange - hence the yelling. So it is possible that he didn't hear the "cold" command if he wasn't in the area (or even if he was.) But then we're right back to him observing his target that's next to a person with his back to him.
Anyway, this thread has gotten the message across to always be aware of those around you at the range (this was at a private range BTW.)
I'm out.
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