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Another gun range suicide

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ScottsGT, Aug 5, 2006.

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  1. ScottsGT

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    Cannot find a weblink, but yesterday morning at my local "hangout", Shooters Choice, there was a suicide. The article in the paper said the guy fired 4 rounds at the target then turned the gun on himself.
    And I was just there on Thursday during my lunch break shooting.
    I'll post a weblink when I can find one.
     
  2. ArmedBear

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    Suicides tend to leave me with little sympathy and much anger, so pardon my callous attitude.

    But here's my question: I wonder why he shot 4 at the target first? The suicide at my local range was a whole box: 49 at the target, last one at himself.

    I guess we'll never know the answer.
     
  3. 1 old 0311

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    Maybe fired four shots to confirm the weapon was functional?
     
  4. ArmedBear

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    Wants to minimize the chance that God or somesuch Supreme Being would interfere with his suicide?

    Man, I'm a cynical bastard.
     
  5. the pistolero

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    Well, you really can't help it in this day and age, because we all know that somewhere, someone is going to take this very incident and exploit it to further their agenda, as anti-gunners are wont to do. I'm right there with ya, ArmedBear...
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    I knew this stuff would start happening, once every car had a catalytic converter. No more just sitting in your car in a closed garage with the engine on.

    Ah, the unintended consequences of pollution controls.:evil:
     
  7. hoji

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    You know it really hacks me off when someone does this at a firing range with a rented gun. Just use a rope or pills but please dont do anything else to harm the law abiding.:cuss:
     
  8. Erebus

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    Any chance it could have been an accident? Someone doing something stupid or such? Haven't seen a report on it so I am speculating.
     
  9. 1911Tuner

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    Suicides

    Public suicides...on a range with a rented gun, and out in the open so as to minimize the shock effect and ensuing guilt trip on friends and/or family members...especially when small children are apt to be on the scene...elicit little sympathy from me because of the way they go about it. Privacy is available for the ultimate private act.

    However...not all suicides are the ultimate "Go to hell, world and everybody in it/See what you've made me do" Some choose to die because they're worn out, and at the end of his or her desire to continue on. Intense, chronic pain...Terminally ill...Deep depression, etc.

    A man is dead by his own hand. That he didn't do it privately and cleanly is bad...but he's still dead. It's sad that some few people could reach a point that they feel that life just isn't worth living...and somewhere, a family is in deep shock because they probably didn't have a clue as to his intentions, even though some of the classic warning signs were likely evident. People tend to ignore such things. It's human nature to refuse to believe that it could actually happen.

    Please...Let him rest. If not for his sake, then for theirs.
     
  10. orionengnr

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    Ummm...what? Whatever makes you think that modern vehicles do not emit carbon monoxide? Sitting in your garage with the engine running will do you in every bit as dead today as it did 30 years ago.

    Sheesh.
     
  11. ArmedBear

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    I think it would take a LOT longer, with a modern emission control system and computerized fuel injection, than it did back when carburetors and open exhaust reigned supreme. Maybe I'm wrong.
     
  12. limbaughfan

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    i have no sympathy for that idiot I only wish he would have killed himself with something other than a gun,because he only gives ammo to the anti gunners.
     
  13. rchernandez

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    I feel sympathy for the range owner/operator...hard enough running this business day-to-day, then add in the closure while police investigate and the possibility of suits from "grieving family"...
     
  14. Cosmoline

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    So-called "clean" exhaust will still kill you in a matter of minutes. That's what's so ironic about all these anti-smoking efforts
     
  15. gregthehand

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    I saw one guy do it really clean for his family. He went into his backyard sat in a lawn chair and shot himself in the head with a 12 gauge. Really messy but at least he didn't make a mess in the house therefore requiring a costly clean up.
     
  16. P0832177

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    1911 Tuner "Amen" very well put!

    Having attended to many life ending events, after the fact and some in progress. I have to say that with each one it made me not question people's choices. Others, of course in retrospect, are willing to chastise the dead for their choice. But, we do not walk in the departed's shoes. As much as we would like to think that there are venues for help and change, many are just another brick wall faced by the party. There is simply not enough inpatient rooms for treatment, and many are just plain too vexed by the system.

    A 12 yr old boy who expressed his desire to escort a fellow 7th grader to a shool dance and then was rebuffed by the other party. This 12 yr old then peddled out to grandpa's farm, about 7 miles out of town. He then extracted his own gun, stored at the farm, from grandpa's safe. He then penned 3 page note as to why he was doing what he did.

    A 30 yr old guy who was fraught with family trouble, joblessness, and, other problems. Proceeded to be taken in by his mother. He then dressed himself in his "Sunday Best", drove his car into the tuck under garage of the townhome. He left the car running and faded to black. His note of apology was extensive, that included sealed envelopes to various family members, and an open note to his mother. He thought he would minimize the funeral chores, but already being dressed in what he wanted to be buried in. He did not factor that he lost bowel and bladder control when his life ceased to be! He is thinking while flawed, was directed at sort of saving the living some pain.

    I have had fellow health care provider relate that her 12 yr old son knew how to take his life with little fan fare. Overdose on a specific drug and wash it down with some liquid courage.

    Life sure is not pefect! There are many unanswered calls for help! But, in the end we did not walk in those people's shoes!
     
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  17. choochboost

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    Two weeks ago, it happened at a range in the Bay area and at another in SoCal.
     
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    My first experience with death and the first funeral I attended was a suicide situation. My mother's cousin Brian was one of my favorite people when I was about 6 or 7 years old. I don't remember exactly what age I was but about 6 or 7 years old. I live 3 hours from most of my family. I am originally from Berlin NH I now live in North Central MA. When ever we would go home to Berlin I couldn't wait to see Brian and his gorgeous 72 or 73 Red Mustang. I think I only rode in it once. Brian drove out to a highway on ramp and shot himself in the chest. It was a difficult thing for me to wrap my brain around then. I remember seeing the car in my grandmother's garage and not being able to understand why Brian wasn't there. He never went anywhere without the car. Where ever the car was he was. Then I saw him in the casket. And no matter how good a make-up job they do, it was obvious to even my little self that he was dead. That was the moment I came to understand what dead was. And to know that he did it to himself was traumatic.

    Suicide is a selfish act and there is no such thing as making it easy on the family. Mess or no mess it devastating.
     
  19. Geno
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    Let's on Track, Positive, The High Road way

    How many here have FACTUALLY stopped someone from doing just this?

    I have twice: my former brother-in-law (an LEO), and a neighbor.

    I think some people simply don't have skills to deal with stresses.

    A parting thought: my father always told me, "Son, don't judge the man that has to drink to get through the days of his life; instead, thank God that you have the stregth to not need it to get through your days." I.E., don't judge. Let's keep The High Road.

    Guess my father had some good, UNcommon sense.

    Doc2005
     
  20. Cosmoline

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    I'll drink to that!
     
  21. JohnKSa

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    It's worth noting that a person who is attempting suicide is by definition homicidal. It is dangerous to assume that they pose no risk to those around them.

    Not saying one should not make the attempt, just that they should keep in mind that suicidal persons can pose a danger to others besides themselves.
     
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    That's why I keep a full mag on me while at the range. I don't want to be stuck with an empty gun in my hand.
     
  23. carnaby

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    I remember wondering when I started shooting a couple years ago why my range wouldn't let me rent a gun if I was by myself and didn't have my own with me. The clerk in the retail part of the store filled me in about the suiced a few years back. Good policy, if not annoying for those of us not bent on death.
     
  24. Bergerboy

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    Apparently a guy on another board was at the range when the guy did it.........he told about it. :eek:
     
  25. RustyShackelford

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    ranges/shooting

    I shoot at a small place near me. There's no AC and the vents/fans work like &*%# but I get free range time.

    I try to go in the off hours so I can avoid other gun shooters. It's not that I'm a jerk, I just don't like the noise and talk of the other range shooters. In a public place or business you have no real control over who shoots there or what they may say or do. I'd rather have peace and quiet when I shoot and like to go when the crowds are low. In my last range shoot about 6 people came in the lanes near me. Three young girls who never shot a weapon before and 2 other guys who were shooting handguns.
    The guys I did not mind but the girls were new and had no formal training, :uhoh: .

    Rusty
     
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