Another Sig P365 Experience

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by gbw, Jul 19, 2018.

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  1. gbw

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    Bought one at a LGS last week $565 otd.

    I really like this pistol - light, accurate, really small, 10+1, good sights, and the best ‘feel’ I’ve run across since the Browning HP. Finally the major makers are beginning to get it - next to this pistol the 12+1 FNS-9C or 10+1 G26, for example, feel like bricks - too thick and blocky and too heavy.

    It would not have replaced the trusty KelTec PF9, which is also accurate, 20% lighter, and slimmer, though 7+1. And I prefer it’s DA revolver-like trigger for a carry pistol, especially considering neither has a manual safety. It is also half the price, and it’s been shown reliable over 2 copies approaching combined 1600 rds.

    Still, this little Sig is a welcome new entry to the tiny world of tiny, very light 9mm autos.

    Or it was. At around 140 shots fired since new, the trigger failed - just flops around and won’t reset. It can be made to fire, you must hold it upside down, shake it, and hold your mouth right. I speculate a disconnect spring or something similar croaked.

    Disappointing for such a costly, high potential gun. I’ll see what Sig has to say in the morning.
     
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    I carry a PF9, too. I was interested in the SiG when the news hit about it, and laid hands on one at a gun show. It felt pretty good, but I would have liked to have felt its balance loaded.

    However, I came across a good price on a Kahr CW45, a gun I'd been considering before the P365 was announced, then sort of forgot about. If it proves itself, it might become a pretty frequent replacement for the PF9, but I really cannot deny the ease of carrying the Kel-Tec, and it isn't going anywhere.

    Still, I'd like to like the Sig.. maybe one day.
     
  3. Everready73

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    You should check out military and channel on YouTube. Tom got one in to test and same thing happened. It was doing something weird to the primers as well. I was really excited when this gun was announced, but definitely waiting till all the bugs are worked out IF I decide to get one.

    I think they rushed this gun to market a little too quickly. Lots of reported issues
     
  4. Walkalong

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    Indeed, curious to see what went wrong and what Sig does to fix it.
     
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    Yes, he had the same or a very similar experience.
     
  6. pblanc

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    It has been a known issue with the SIG P365. The trigger bar spring has either broken, or more likely, has become unseated. Send it back to SIG.

    But please find out and post the build date of your pistol. It has been suggested that the great majority of P365s that experienced the dead trigger issue were manufactured during a short period this April, although I know of one that had a May build date. If your pistol has a build date later than May, it would be the first such that I have heard about, and it would clearly indicate that this issue has NOT been fixed by SIG.
     
  7. gbw

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    The date on the box label is 17 June 2018. I don't know if this is the build date, it is on the product bar code label on the box. The SN label is separate and has no date.

    Sig couldn't have been better, got to them immediately and they gave me a return label to send it to them FedEx. I asked, he said this is the first time he's heard of this particular problem.
     
  8. someguy2800

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    Then he is a big fat liar.
     
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    Not necessarily. The CS person at Sig may have meant that particular problem relating to the date of manufacture.
    For what it's is worth, I have two P365's one early and one late manufacture and both are flawless performers and shot at least twice per week. Lot's of guns would be sold from my collection before I would let go of those two little beasts.
     
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    On another forum, a member conducted a survey of P365 owners as to whether or not they had experienced a variety of issues with their pistols, one of which was the "dead trigger" phenomenon. Out of the 235 P365 owners who responded, 13 had experienced a dead trigger (5.5%). This is not exactly an insignificant percentage. Of those 13 pistols, one was a March build date, 11 an April build date, and 1 was a May build.

    In the same survey, 17 individuals had experienced a broken striker for a percentage of 7.23%. Eight of those pistols were made in March, 8 in April, and 1 in May. Several of the dead triggers occurred after round counts of 500 or greater. Tim's pistol (Military Arms Channel) experienced a dead trigger after nearly 900 round. Five of the striker failures occurred after round counts of 500 or greater with one occurring after approximately 1900 rounds fired.
     
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  11. JR24

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    Sorry to hear your problem. The dead trigger at seemingly random times is disconcerting as you cant really say "well it's been good for 500 rounds so it's good"

    I know all guns have parts breakage but I'm not sure I could trust the 365 right now. That of course would be partially my OCD like tendencies on these types of things.
     
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    On yet another forum just today an owner of a P365 with an April 22 build date reported a dead trigger after a round count of over 1500. Unfortunately, with these "critical failures" (broken strikers and dead triggers) occurring after quite high round counts, it is very hard to know whether SIG has adequately addressed either of them at this point in time.
     
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    I am in no way knocking Sig. But you can't always rely on the cheapest bidder for parts. The best parts always cost more up front, but will be much, much, cheaper in the long run.
     
  14. 340PD

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    There are now well over 85,000 of these little gems out in the marketplace and two of them are mine.
     
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    I have about 800 rounds through mine, love it and carry it on days I need to pocket carry. I'm not sure this question can be answered, but I'm wondering at what round count the failures that are occurring would have occurred.
     
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    @TomJ - considering the two common failure types of the p365, there is no magical round count number past which you could stamp your pistol as proven immune. Use causes these failures, so use to prove them “good” is use which can make them go bad. Your desire is much like driving on tires, wondering at what mileage you can say they’ll never go flat.

    That said, the likelihood of the P365’s breaking is very low. Mechanisms fail, by nature, and much of the internet sensation of late for the Sigs is nothing more than that. You either have faith in the pistol, or you don’t, whether that faith, or lack thereof, is rational or not.
     
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    Understood. It's a little frustrating cutting through what the real issues are versus the internet hype. Like I said, I continue to carry mine.
     
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    I had a Kel-Tec P11. It was reliable and decently accurate, but the trigger was kind of stiff (yeah, I'm spoiled).

    I replaced it with a Glock 43, which I very much prefer. In fact, I liked the 43 so much that I bought a G26 also. A nice thing about the 26 is that you can use a G19 magazine with it if you want to.

    I've fondled a P365 and liked the way I felt. I'm going to wait a while, until the problems seem to have disappeared, before I consider purchasing one.
     
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    It's back.

    Just under 3 weeks door to door, the gunsmith note says 'replaced trigger bar spring, test fired, no failures'. It was full of oil again, I just left it there.

    I consider this good service. Fired about 60 shots mix of ball, HP, and cast lead reloads. No problems but I didn't expect any.

    I'm really impressed with this little 9mm, good accuracy and if it proves reliable I see no reason to keep the G43, nice as it is. The Sig feels better, holds more cartridges, weighs and measures the same or less - both unloaded w/magazine.

    I am going to trade away a FNS 9c (FDE), much as I try to like it it feels like holding a brick compared to the P365 or G43.

    Betting Glock is busy developing/testing a G43v2 as it's first real competitor.

    Still, none of them match the KT PF-9 in weight or size, reliability is equal, or cost - you aren't carrying a $500+ pistol, something to consider.

    Someone will talk about 'quality'. Using Demming's "conformance to requirements" as the quality standard, the quality of all 3 is equal (provided the Sig holds up now). My requirements boildown to reliability, safety and shootability, size, weight, and value in that order.
     
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    I was able to rent one today at the local range and shot it in conjunction with a Kahr CM9, G-26 and G19. This gun has been rented twice a day since they have had it and they haven't cleaned it since they bought it many months ago. It ran flawlessly and was a sweet shooter. The fact that it is the same size as the 6+1 Kahr yet holds 10+1 has moved it up to the top of my next gun to buy list. A much better trigger than either the Glock or Kahr as far as crispness and short reset.
     
  21. Walkalong

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    Aggravating for sure, and maybe they should look at wherever they got them from. Springs done wrong can break fairly soon in life, while those done right generally last a very long time in low stress applications.
     
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    Mine has June 8 build date and has not missed a lick yet. Over 520 mixed rounds down range now. It is. Is in my carry rotation.
     
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    The G26 May feel like a “brick”, but at least bricks very rarely break.
     
  24. Creature

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    Street price for a P365?
     
  25. George P

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    About $500, msrp is about $600
     
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