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Anti CCW article

Discussion in 'Legal' started by grnzbra, Feb 13, 2004.

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  1. grnzbra

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    This appeared yesterday.

    The following is the letter I sent to the editor:

    Dear Sir or Madam,

    I am writing in response to the article that appeared in your Feb 12 issue entitled Big guns, big egos may trip concealed weapons carriers. In it, there seems to be an opinion his statement after the incident, "You better watch it. I am armed.", was an effort to show off that he was a tough guy. In fact, the situation was anything but that.

    There was some period of time, perhaps only a half second, between when the son spoke and his mamma responded, during which time the customer went from being in a state of awareness of his surroundings through becoming aware of a possible threat to a point where he recognized the threat and was expecting to have to respond as soon as he determined the exact nature of the threat. This is a situation that anyone who has any knowledge of the use of lethal force wants to avoid at all costs. A person familiar with the use of lethal force, he knows that he may end up in jail, or heavily in debt for legal bills and at the losing end of a nasty civil suit after shooting a criminal. He will have to justify his every action, based on instantaneous decisions, to an investigation that will take all the time it needs to second guess those decisions. His body is now in a full blown fight or flight response (which we can tell because of the trouble he had going out the door) and junior and, even worse, mamma thinks the whole thing is hilariously funny. Now he begins to think in terms of what could have been; junior dead him in real trouble.

    It seems to me that, given this set of circumstances, his statement was an extremely diplomatic way of saying, "YOU STUPID BROAD! YOUR LITTLE BRAT JUST DID THE EQUIVALENT OF YELLING 'FIRE' IN A CROWDED THEATER. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE THEME FOR A PRANK, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE THAT ISSUES PERMITS TO CARRY."

    After he left, perhaps to sit in his car for half an hour with a case of the shakes because he knew what could have happened, mamma and junior sit there yucking it up until it dawns on them that they junior could have been killed. But in a manner consistent with people unfamiliar with the concept of defending their lives, they believe it couldn't possibly be junior's because he does this all the time. He's so cute. That guy must was a real moron. They should be more careful who they let carry a gun. The fact of the matter is that they both behaved in an incredibly stupid manner and should thank God that the man had the restraint to wait until all the facts were known before taking any action.

    The only mistake the customer did make was to say anything at all to her. He should have just left and, perhaps, come back another day to have a calm discussion with her.

    C. Lind Aitken
     
  2. artherd

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    Sounds like they're all real pieces of work.
     
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    I've pasted the original article below.

    Just to clarify, young poop-for-brains walks into a convenience store and TELLS THE CLERK, "Hand over your money, lady."

    That 24-year-old has been an adult for SIX YEARS!

    "Rascal?" Are you kidding me?

    Some things, you imbecile, you don't joke about. Someone might think you're serious.

    You gotta hope that this fun-loving idiot's next move is joking about bombs at an airport. That would be a really funny! A hoot! Oh, that rascal! :rolleyes:

     
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    If it was really obvious that her son was just joking around, I can actually understand her point. You can usual tell when someone isn't an actual threat.

    Of course, who knows how it sounded to the guy. In my opinion, once he knew it wasn't a real threat, he should of just kept his mouth shut. To the average person, what he did does make CCW holders look bad.
     
  5. MikeB

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    I'm sure we're only hearing the mothers side of the argument here, we don't really know what the permit holder said or how it was said. We also don't know if this sounded like a joke or not at first.

    I predict this 24 year old may just be a future winner of the Darwin Awards.
     
  6. Zach S

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    We also dont know if he was a permit holder, or someone with a big mouth who was trying to cover his ???. Think about it, he just said he was armed, why would he say "no" if he didnt have a permit to CC.

    PPL ask me if my Caprice is an old cop car all the time. I say yes, but havent showed anyone the 9C1 code on service decal in the trunk. How would they know if I was full of it?
     
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    Well, to be perfectly honest, I didn't really get an anti-CCW tone from that article. She sought out quotes and advice from pro-gun persons, and included a quote from the mom that supported people's right to carry. She didn't find someone from the Brady campaign to castigate gun carriers either.


    Face it, people do stupid things with guns sometimes, and if we're going to preach "fair and balanced" in our attack on the liberal media, we should be prepared for the media to cover some of the bad stuff as well. The permit holder in this case does a disservice to the rest of us, and if others read the example and avoid similar behavior, then that might be beneficial.
     
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    If the man was as shaken as the article led us to believe, he obviously had been convinced that junior was a BG, and had come close to acting on that conviction. I'd guess there was much more to this than narrated to the reporter. Possibly Heckle and Jeckyl carried the "joke" on until he told them he was armed, then dropped it.

    Based on what was presented by the reporter it's hard to tell, except that it's not a stretch to think the two jokers report was slanted to make themselves look blameless and the CCW guy a buffoon.

    I think if I was in the same situation, reached the same conclusion, then found it was "all a joke" I'd be a bit shaken too.

    It's a pretty safe bet that if there really had been a holdup attempt and it was stopped by a CCW holder, nowhere near as much print would have been devoted to the story.
     
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    Definately a future Darwin award winner.
     
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