Anti-gun Experiences with Doubletree Hotel?

[denton]

When hotel employees attempt to coerce an interstate traveler to surrender a pistol to the hotel for "safekeeping" or anything else that isn't a "sporting purpose", they are attempting to get the traveler to commit a federal felony.

I believe that is probably correct. If I understand the law, the hotel would be in possession of an out-of-state firearm. I believe it is a felony to receive such a firearm or to deliver it.

Interesting catch. Thank you.

So what's the law about trying to coerce someone into committing a felony?

 

[lobo9er]

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[FourTeeFive]

The Hampton Inn Addison Texas has a 30.06 sign in the window. See below. The Hilton Garden Inn down the street does not.

 

[ChileRelleno]

Due to my job as a trucker, driving a day cab with no sleeper, I stay in hotels 3-4 nights a week on average, and have for the last three years.
Never have I seen anything pertaining to firearms posted on any entrances, nor on any contractual paperwork at any hotel chain. I would not stay at any hotel that had any such rules, and would make danged sure they knew it.

Some States do have laws regarding a leased room as your domicile and your 2A Rights are protected... YMMV by State.
At the same time the hotel can terminate their contract with you for creating a disturbance or otherwise breaking the law.

This was about some fool creating a disturbance and likely the firearm was used as a hedge against the guest, that and/or, the hotel staff were gun fearing types.
All they had to do in was report the disturbance and trespass the guest in order to have them removed by LE.

 

[BBDartCA]

I believe hotels being allowed to ban firearms varies by state. Complicated issue with regard to the rights or property owners. They can ban smoking on their property no problem. Can they ban using toothpaste? Article about such in Utah. http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/post/2011/01/utah-panel-oks-gun-hotel-room-bill/140745/1

I think all or most Doubletrees are franchises. So you may have corporate hotel policy (probably some fine print buried in your rental agreement), plus that of the policy of the hotel operator. From a practical standpoint, owners may ban firearms due to the fear they may get into a hotel employee's or other's hands leading to a liability problem for the property owner. For example, hotel guest leaves his loaded AK47 next to the toilet. Cleaning lady mishandles it leading to an injury / death. Employer gets sued / jailed for having a dangerous workplace.

Personally I stay at a Doubletree on some hunting trips and they do not mind wheeling in two big gun cases. But a friend wanted to dress his hog in the room, which they were not OK with.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Thinking out loud here:

Unload the handgun in car. Carry handgun in luggage into room. Load gun. It was never a "concealed" weapon.

What about carrying a concealed but unloaded handgun and doing the same thing?

 

[TacoMalo]

Pursuant to 30.06... ahhhh... that sign should really just say "we really don't like any sort of silly legalities and actually prefer criminals to run rampant plus we even keep out the good guys so you can feel free to commit your felonies in a safe work environment"

 

[Beaux Nehr]

The Hampton Inn Addison Texas has a 30.06 sign in the window. See below. The Hilton Garden Inn down the street does not.

Is it also in Spanish? If not, it doesn't hold water.

 

[Pilot]

But a friend wanted to dress his hog in the room, which they were not OK with.

That's a bit rude, don't you think? Yes, she may be fat, and a bit on the homely side, but that is still his wife you're talking about!




Seriously, I have no problem with a hotel restricting the FIELD dressing of animals in their rooms. Smell, mess, blood, room damage, angry guests, etc all means lost $$$ for them.

Oh yeah, concealed means concealed.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

The Hampton Inn Addison Texas has a 30.06 sign in the window. See below. The Hilton Garden Inn down the street does not.

Doesn't it need to be in Spanish as well?

 

[FourTeeFive]

The Hampton Inn Addison Texas has a 30.06 sign in the window. See below. The Hilton Garden Inn down the street does not.

Doesn't it need to be in Spanish as well?

It is, on the other side of the entrance.

Pursuant to 30.06... ahhhh... that sign should really just say "we really don't like any sort of silly legalities and actually prefer criminals to run rampant plus we even keep out the good guys so you can feel free to commit your felonies in a safe work environment"

I'll be contacting Hilton and the individual hotel management about this topic. Basically will say I don't feel safe staying at their property since they are telling criminals this is a good place to wait for hotel guests in the parking lot. And I get to choose where I spend my money.

 

[DesertFox]

Right.... "Leave your valuables (including your guns) in your vehicle." basically what 30.06 signs are saying. Then in the parking lot the signage reads "Not responsible for valuables or contents of vehicles..." Might as well just hand your gun over to a criminal and then thank them. We live in a peculiar time where hypocrites rule.

Of all the places one finds themselves, a hotel in particular would seem to be one of the likely places where a little "backup" would give that additional peace of mind. OTOH, bedbugs are probably a higher percentage risk!

 

[jrdolall]

In light of FourTeeFive's comment about a Hampton Inn in Addison TX I contacted the Hilton Honors customer service this morning. I was re-directed to a more senior rep for an answer to my question and I refused to give a specific hotel name or location since I did not personally see the sign. I am not in any way doubting that the sign is there but I don't want to tell them I actually saw the sign when that is not true.
Hilton does not have a corporate policy againts having a gun on the property but most of their properties are franchised and those franchisees can implement policies that they feel are best for their locations. For instance they can be totally non-smoking even if that is not a law in their area. Apparently this franchisee does not want legal guns on his property and that is within his/her rights as a franchise owner as long as the policy does not differ from written Hilton policy.

It will be up to the people who live in the area to make their feelings known to this franchise. It could be a single unit franchise or multiple hotels with different affiliations. I stayed at a franchised Hampton in Sacramento last year that had a Holiday Inn Express across the parking lot and the same company owned both hotels. I took the HI shuttle to the airport which was a bit strange. It would take a lot of pressure on Hilton Corporate and I doubt they have the ability to make the hotel change the policy since it does not directly interfere with the franchise agreement.

Hilton routinely removes hotels from their umbrella if they do not meet Hilton guidelines so enough complaints may spur them into some sort of action.

 

[harrygunner]

Wow. After seening that sign 'FourTeeFive' posted, I'm notifying Hilton I'm dropping my membership with them and telling them why.

If I booked a room and saw a sign like that after arriving, I'd would feel like I had been scammed.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

It is, on the other side of the entrance.

Doesn't sound like it's legal because it's posted on the other side.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Hilton does not have a corporate policy againts having a gun on the property but most of their properties are franchised and those franchisees can implement policies that they feel are best for their locations.

I'm betting that is the case here, and I will let them know that in the future I will stay down the street at a hotel without the sign. I'm also letting my business associates in the area know of this policy.

After seening that sign 'FourTeeFive' posted, I'm notifying Hilton I'm dropping my membership with them and telling them why.

If I booked a room and saw a sign like that after arriving, I'd would feel like I had been scammed.

I like most Hilton properties and intend to keep my business with them. However, I will not give business to those properties that have a sign. I intend to contact Hilton corporate and let them know that customers need to know when booking if the property is non gun-owner friendly. I am a very good customer of the Hilton chain and I hope my voice will be heard.

Doesn't sound like it's legal because it's posted on the other side.

I don't think it meets the contrast requirements either.

In doing some web searching it seems this location had a previous non-compliant sign in terms of wording and they changed it specifically to compliant wording. So I really don't want to mention that aspect of it to management.

Also in my searching I found a couple of competition shooting groups that stay at the Addison location! Go figure.

 

[j1]

foolish move

Allowing your firearm out of your posession is dangerous and foolish.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Is an unloaded handgun in your luggage considered "concealed" under Texas law? I looked over 30.06 and it didn't have any specifics:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.30.htm

I'm still thinking for a hotel you could unload the handgun in your car. Carry handgun in luggage into room. Load gun. It was never a "concealed" weapon, or was it?

 

[harrygunner]

I went to the website for the Hampton Inn in Addison, TX. There was no hint of their firearms policy within their FAQ or announcements about microwave ovens and free wireless Internet.

When I drive, I'll go over twelve hours a day, arriving late and ready to rest. Or if I fly from the west coast to the east, by time you add in flight time, time zone shifts and layovers, I always get to a hotel after dark.

That makes it more difficult to find other arrangements. And when I declare I'm going to another hotel, I'm sure there'd be a heated discussion with a clerk who insists on charging me for a day, given my late arrival.

Hotels should be about the hospitality business, not pointless political statements. But, if they want to do that, they need to warn people during registration.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Hotels should be about the hospitality business, not pointless political statements. But, if they want to do that, they need to warn people during registration.

Exactly. I intend to bring this up with Hilton corporate and with the particular hotel management.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

I don't think it meets the contrast requirements either.

You are correct, it does not. The sign must be in contrasting colors. Clear is not a color. Also, but splitting the sign into two and post one on each side of the door they have created two non-compliant signs.

Always fun for defeating 30.06 signs, check the side doors. If every public entrance does not have a compliant sign then they are all effectively unenforceable.

Oh.. and they spelled "section" wrong so it's non-compliant in that way too.

 

[FLA2760]

I don't let anyone see my firearm other than my immediate family and then only when putting it on and taking it off at night.

 

[exavid]

Ah yes, discretion is the best part of valor. What they don't see won't offend. At least that's the way I feel about it. I believe a hotel may ask a guest to leave for any reason if it comes to that. If asked and the guest refuses then it can be treated as trespassing by the law. I'd go if told I couldn't keep my firearm.

 

[j1]

the law

Would it be illegal for a ccw holder to carry exposed in a holster? Where would I look up the answer?

 

[newbuckeye]

Besides whats been said, does anyone REALLY think a FEDERAL LEO is going to disarm and turn over control of said firearm to a CIVILIAN??

I gotta call BS on that point!